Can I improve my handicap?

The OP said all departments of his game are ok but notably didn't mention pitching.
I just asked the question as the 50yd pitch is a shot I see played badly by many people.
Good shout Bob.
How often would you expect to get up and down from that sort of distance?
Also how often should you expect an 18 handicap to do it?
Or is it a case of make sure you hit the green and 2 putt rather than stick it in a bunker or rough and end up with a big score?
 
Good shout Bob.
How often would you expect to get up and down from that sort of distance?
Also how often should you expect an 18 handicap to do it?
Or is it a case of make sure you hit the green and 2 putt rather than stick it in a bunker or rough and end up with a big score?
I've played with many amateurs in pro ams who hadn't a clue about yardage control.
50 yards...SW, big long backswing then a short decelarating downswing. Most of them were just happy to hit the green anywhere where of course they can still 3 putt.
Plus, if the OPs normal driver is around 210 and his course is 6500yds, I'm guessing there will be several par 4s he cant reach in 2 so an improvement in this area would probably help
 
I've played with many amateurs in pro ams who hadn't a clue about yardage control.
50 yards...SW, big long backswing then a short decelarating downswing. Most of them were just happy to hit the green anywhere where of course they can still 3 putt.
Plus, if the OPs normal driver is around 210 and his course is 6500yds, I'm guessing there will be several par 4s he cant reach in 2 so an improvement in this area would probably help
Couldn’t agree with this more if I tried. You see it so many times out on the course people failing to commit to anything at around 60yards or less, leaving it short, thinning it or just happy to hit the green and taking up to 4 shots to get in the hole from 50yards.

Go to any range and I’d say 80% or higher are there bashing balls with longer clubs working their way quickly past the shorter clubs as that doesn’t tick the ego box.

I was always taught growing up spend more time working on my wedge play and putting than anything else. I’m probably around average length of the tee but I always fancy anything from about 120yards or less as a result of being drilled into me young that’s what matters.

If the OP can keep the ball in play (playing lesson to learn the finer points of shot selection and course management) then spend the rest of his practice doing enough to keep the long game ticking over but spend the rest and majority of the time on his short approach play I reckon he’d see his scores tumble.
 
Couldn’t agree with this more if I tried. You see it so many times out on the course people failing to commit to anything at around 60yards or less, leaving it short, thinning it or just happy to hit the green and taking up to 4 shots to get in the hole from 50yards.

Go to any range and I’d say 80% or higher are there bashing balls with longer clubs working their way quickly past the shorter clubs as that doesn’t tick the ego box.

I was always taught growing up spend more time working on my wedge play and putting than anything else. I’m probably around average length of the tee but I always fancy anything from about 120yards or less as a result of being drilled into me young that’s what matters.

If the OP can keep the ball in play (playing lesson to learn the finer points of shot selection and course management) then spend the rest of his practice doing enough to keep the long game ticking over but spend the rest and majority of the time on his short approach play I reckon he’d see his scores tumble.
Weirdly I have found that playing rounds on top tracer has helped me enormously from about 50 yards (and lower my handicap by 3 shots this year). As you have to pitch to flags between 40 and 60 yards away instead of putting, I have had much more practice at this sort of distance than I would just using the range the old fashioned way.
 
Weirdly I have found that playing rounds on top tracer has helped me enormously from about 50 yards (and lower my handicap by 3 shots this year). As you have to pitch to flags between 40 and 60 yards away instead of putting, I have had much more practice at this sort of distance than I would just using the range the old fashioned way.
…and you don’t always have to play a pitch from 50yds..putting is handy but …grass…🤔👍
 
Weirdly I have found that playing rounds on top tracer has helped me enormously from about 50 yards (and lower my handicap by 3 shots this year). As you have to pitch to flags between 40 and 60 yards away instead of putting, I have had much more practice at this sort of distance than I would just using the range the old fashioned way.
I think it’s genuinely been a good addition to the ranges for the player that wants to improve. It forces you to pick a target with the long clubs rather than just bash onto an open field and like you say the 40yards it draws the target in closer depending on potential hole score so I’m not surprised it’s improving scores as it’s an often over looked yardage.
…and you don’t always have to play a pitch from 50yds..putting is handy but …grass…🤔👍
The good old Texas wedge or bump and run very important skills to add to the arsenal.
 
I think it’s genuinely been a good addition to the ranges for the player that wants to improve. It forces you to pick a target with the long clubs rather than just bash onto an open field and like you say the 40yards it draws the target in closer depending on potential hole score so I’m not surprised it’s improving scores as it’s an often over looked yardage.

The good old Texas wedge or bump and run very important skills to add to the arsenal.
Handy, especially on a links, but not in this case as the OP doesn't play links or heathland.
 
Handy, especially on a links, but not in this case as the OP doesn't play links or heathland.
My point precisely…though the Texas wedge can be a handy option as it is low risk (you’ll rarely chunk or thin a shot with a putter), it can be very difficult to judge pace when using it from 10s of yards…even yards, from the putting surface when the grass is lusher or longer than you’d find on heathland or links.
 
Thanks for all the feedback. 50 yard (or other partial) pitch shots are something I've worked a lot on. My real weakness is off the tee and longer shots through the fairway.
 
Thanks for all the feedback. 50 yard (or other partial) pitch shots are something I've worked a lot on. My real weakness is off the tee and longer shots through the fairway.

This isn't meant to sound as it comes out, but possibly work on those elements you state as weaknesses and Bob may be your uncle.
 
I just asked the question as the 50yd pitch is a shot I see played badly by many people.
Out of interest, what is your view on the benchmark for a “not bad” shot from this distance? Within 5yds(10% error) or better?
 
Out of interest, what is your view on the benchmark for a “not bad” shot from this distance? Within 5yds(10% error) or better?
For a mid handicapper...
Not bad would be on the green.
Quite good would be 10-15 feet
Good shot under 10 feet
When I was playing a lot, I i wouldn't be happy over 10 feet
Under 5 feet...bonus
 
For a mid handicapper...
Not bad would be on the green.
Quite good would be 10-15 feet
Good shot under 10 feet
When I was playing a lot, I i wouldn't be happy over 10 feet
Under 5 feet...bonus
I'm not trying to counter your figures, but I have just had a look at the PGA stats for the season. They don't have 50 yards but they do have a stat for 30+ yards from the green. The best player this season only averages 9 feet, 1" better than Scottie. Tour average is 12' 9" and most players are in excess of 40 shots so a good selection. This would mean by your reckoning, a mid handicapper would need to play like a tour pro around the green which is very unlikely. Is this another example of us hackers having very unrealistic expectations when it comes to our games?

https://www.pgatour.com/stats/detail/379
 
I'm not trying to counter your figures, but I have just had a look at the PGA stats for the season. They don't have 50 yards but they do have a stat for 30+ yards from the green. The best player this season only averages 9 feet, 1" better than Scottie. Tour average is 12' 9" and most players are in excess of 40 shots so a good selection. This would mean by your reckoning, a mid handicapper would need to play like a tour pro around the green which is very unlikely. Is this another example of us hackers having very unrealistic expectations when it comes to our games?

https://www.pgatour.com/stats/detail/379
Agreed. I've been reading plenty about this concept as well - reading the Four Foundation of Golf right now in fact, for example. From 50 yard pitch, if I'm putting that's a tick for me. Inside 15-20 feet would be a nice bonus. 5 feet is dreamland. 😁
 
I'm not trying to counter your figures, but I have just had a look at the PGA stats for the season. They don't have 50 yards but they do have a stat for 30+ yards from the green. The best player this season only averages 9 feet, 1" better than Scottie. Tour average is 12' 9" and most players are in excess of 40 shots so a good selection. This would mean by your reckoning, a mid handicapper would need to play like a tour pro around the green which is very unlikely. Is this another example of us hackers having very unrealistic expectations when it comes to our games?

https://www.pgatour.com/stats/detail/379
Not convinced it’s the rights stats to compare. A tour pro pitching from 30 yds is doing it because they missed the green (probably from a long shot distance) so they would be having a difficult lie most likely.

A better stat would be Approaches from within 100 yds which is your avg 17’ and best is 13’.

Which is between 4-6% of the total distance and way better than 9’ from 30 yds would let you to believe.
 
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