Burka debate.

[stevek1969]

Andy, i'll bet they all had west coast accents its like little Kabul thru there just now

 

[John_Findlay]

Interesting, if predictable, poll result. Also interesting that when asked earlier today on another thread to support a Scotsman's right to wear a kilt at a posh golf club the result was the exact opposite.

I don't like it or all that it stands for but I will always defend an individuals right to wear what they like providing it is lawful.

This in another debate about conforming to accepted behaviour or established practices.

I voted in favour of Royal Troon in the other topic because the visitor saw fit to ignore the established rules or practices set by the members of that club regarding dress code. He was a non conformist.

In the same vein I will vote in favour of banning the Burka because in our culture it is established and accepted that hiding one's face in public is generally regarded as threatening or sinister behaviour, e.g. IRA balaclavas, bank robbers, Ninja in the high street etc.

Put simply those who do wear the burka are not conforming to accepted behaviour or practices given that we are not an islamic society, putting aside the question of whether this forms part of islamic law or not.

Is that argument consistent? I think so.

 

[Parmo]

Whilst on the subject of banning, can we also ban grown men wearing turtle neck tops under V neck sweaters? Nothing worse.

 

[drawboy]

At Leeds airport this year upon arrival back to the UK after some sunny jollies we were greeted by the usual happy to see you again customs men at passport control. One couple were Muslim, the lady had a full burka and only her eyes were visible. To my utter amazement the passport official proceeded to look at the passport of the man then the woman and calmly waved them through without asking to see the face of the woman passenger. I half expected them to ask her to accompany a lady officer into a side room whilst her identity was verified but no, straight through. It could have been anyone. I was disgusted.

 

[Yerman]

You didn't see the passport photo!

 

[Fyldewhite]

Interesting, if predictable, poll result. Also interesting that when asked earlier today on another thread to support a Scotsman's right to wear a kilt at a posh golf club the result was the exact opposite.

I don't like it or all that it stands for but I will always defend an individuals right to wear what they like providing it is lawful.

This in another debate about conforming to accepted behaviour or established practices.

I voted in favour of Royal Troon in the other topic because the visitor saw fit to ignore the established rules or practices set by the members of that club regarding dress code. He was a non conformist.

In the same vein I will vote in favour of banning the Burka because in our culture it is established and accepted that hiding one's face in public is generally regarded as threatening or sinister behaviour, e.g. IRA balaclavas, bank robbers, Ninja in the high street etc.

Put simply those who do wear the burka are not conforming to accepted behaviour or practices given that we are not an islamic society, putting aside the question of whether this forms part of islamic law or not.

Is that argument consistent? I think so.

"...our culture..."

Sorry, I was under the impression that we live in a multi cultural society which prides itself on tolerance and the acceptance of other, sometimes quite different people who come to live here, pay taxes and help make this country what it is. It's always been like that anyway, some say it's part of what made Britain great.

 

[drawboy]

Interesting, if predictable, poll result. Also interesting that when asked earlier today on another thread to support a Scotsman's right to wear a kilt at a posh golf club the result was the exact opposite.

I don't like it or all that it stands for but I will always defend an individuals right to wear what they like providing it is lawful.

This in another debate about conforming to accepted behaviour or established practices.

I voted in favour of Royal Troon in the other topic because the visitor saw fit to ignore the established rules or practices set by the members of that club regarding dress code. He was a non conformist.

In the same vein I will vote in favour of banning the Burka because in our culture it is established and accepted that hiding one's face in public is generally regarded as threatening or sinister behaviour, e.g. IRA balaclavas, bank robbers, Ninja in the high street etc.

Put simply those who do wear the burka are not conforming to accepted behaviour or practices given that we are not an islamic society, putting aside the question of whether this forms part of islamic law or not.

Is that argument consistent? I think so.

"...our culture..."

Sorry, I was under the impression that we live in a multi cultural society which prides itself on tolerance and the acceptance of other, sometimes quite different people who come to live here, pay taxes and help make this country what it is. It's always been like that anyway, some say it's part of what made Britain great.

And some do not.

 

[AuburnWarrior]

They are not for religious reasons and, as a result, should be banned. They are in place to repress women of the Islamic faith and that is simply unacceptable.

Religion as a whole should also be banned.

 

[Basher]

I wasn't going to post on this thread as I get wound up with discussions of this nature.

However!

I've just returned from a shopping centre. Whilst there we had a bite to eat in one of the food hall type things.
As we sat eating a Muslim couple sat at a table quite close. The bloke was dressed head to foot in some sort of white dress/bedsheet thing they wear with a doily looking cap on. The woman (assume it was) was decked out in black with a full veil. The old letterbox job.
They were sharing a jacket spud!
Whenever the veiled one took a forkfull she had to lift the veil to shove it in her gob. She had a medium pepsi with a straw which also disappeared beneath the veil when she had a slurp.
She then got a phonecall on her mobile which then rendered her incapable of eating or drinking as she didn't have enough hands left to lift the veil.

My only thought was......could you be arsed?

Ban the blody things like they have done in France. They're alien to our culture, can be used for the wrong purpose (ie identity evasion) and lastly, they look so bloody stupid, decked up like a bloody Ninja!!!

 

[Iaing]

Anyone know what the reaction would be if a Scotsman walked into a mosque in Mecca ( or indeed Glasgow ) wearing a kilt ?

 

[AuburnWarrior]

Anyone know what the reaction would be if a Scotsman walked into a mosque in Mecca ( or indeed Glasgow ) wearing a kilt ?

Not as bad a reaction as when he knelt down to pray!

All those behind him would be able to see what he had for breakfast!

 

[drawboy]

Ah! now you are into the "one rule for one" territory. The liberals will be up in arms because as we all know indigenous populations are not allowed any rights, they are reserved for our poor downtrodden immigrants who have such a bad time over here they need the protection of the law.

 

[Basher]

Sorry, I was under the impression that we live in a multi cultural society which prides itself on tolerance and the acceptance of other, sometimes quite different people who come to live here,

Much of this country's tolerant nature is being seriously tested in recent years, so much so, it is quite close to breaking point.

pay taxes and help make this country what it is.

Having been into town today I can assure you that a great many of the diverse cultures residing in this country do not pay taxes. Hardly heard a single English voice. Lots of groups of young "foreign" fellas hanging around on corners, and in the words of HID looking quite intimidating.

 

[AuburnWarrior]

Sorry, I was under the impression that we live in a multi cultural society which prides itself on tolerance and the acceptance of other, sometimes quite different people who come to live here,

Much of this country's tolerant nature is being seriously tested in recent years, so much so, it is quite close to breaking point.

pay taxes and help make this country what it is.

Having been into town today I can assure you that a great many of the diverse cultures residing in this country do not pay taxes. Hardly heard a single English voice. Lots of groups of young "foreign" fellas hanging around on corners, and in the words of HID looking quite intimidating.

I think that as a nation we can be very proud of our tolerant nature (by and large). We allow anyone to come into our country to seek a better, safer life. I have no problem with that. But, it's give and take. We can offer you a safe life, free from persecution, oppression and hatred and in return, we ask that you respect our traditions and lifestyle. One of those traditions is that people display their face.

Now, if your religion states that your face must be covered then fine but, to my knowledge, no religion does.

So, there is no place in today's society for the Burkha. It's only role is one of oppression and that doesn't fit in with our ideal of an oppression free life.

 

[Basher]

So, there is no place in today's society for the Burkha. It's only role is one of oppression and that doesn't fit in with our ideal of an oppression free life.

Word.

 

[John_Findlay]

Cripes. According to Fyldewhyte I'm not allowed to have a culture now. Must have missed that memo.

When does Branson start that service to the moon anyone?

 

[Parmo]

60% of Asian adults do not work, 70% of somali adults do not work, where does that fit in with paying taxes?

You should see the burka bus taking all these women to groups everyday, its a bloody convoy of ninja non workers.

 

[chrisd]

I have had the wife looking through our letterbox all day cos I'm thinking of getting her a Burka for Xmas!

 

[MarkE]

Sorry, I was under the impression that we live in a multi cultural society which prides itself on tolerance and the acceptance of other, sometimes quite different people who come to live here, pay taxes and help make this country what it is. It's always been like that anyway, some say it's part of what made Britain great.

We may live in a multi cultural society, but the average indigenous british person dos'nt look on the situation with any sense of pride. It's tolerated alright, as there's no alternative. If we dare to mention any disagreement with the immigration policy, we are frowned upon as racists. From what I see from my area, the cost of support far outweighs any tangible benefit they bring to society. As for making this country what it is? Can you imagine a scenario akin to world war II, where the populace pulled together and prevailed against all the odds. It could'nt happen now as there's so many disparate sections of society that has no allegiance to the country. Mass immigration on the scale we have now is a very modern event (60 years or so), so to say 'it's always been like that anyway' is ridiculous. Britain WAS great, but not anymore.

Oh, and yes the burkha should be banned, although there's no chance of it happening because the government has no backbone, unlike, it pains me to say, the French, who have the balls to stand up and try to protect their identity.

Rant over.

 

[Fyldewhite]

Sorry, I was under the impression that we live in a multi cultural society which prides itself on tolerance and the acceptance of other, sometimes quite different people who come to live here, pay taxes and help make this country what it is. It's always been like that anyway, some say it's part of what made Britain great.

We may live in a multi cultural society, but the average indigenous british person dos'nt look on the situation with any sense of pride. It's tolerated alright, as there's no alternative. If we dare to mention any disagreement with the immigration policy, we are frowned upon as racists. From what I see from my area, the cost of support far outweighs any tangible benefit they bring to society. As for making this country what it is? Can you imagine a scenario akin to world war II, where the populace pulled together and prevailed against all the odds. It could'nt happen now as there's so many disparate sections of society that has no allegiance to the country. Mass immigration on the scale we have now is a very modern event (60 years or so), so to say 'it's always been like that anyway' is ridiculous. Britain WAS great, but not anymore.

Oh, and yes the burkha should be banned, although there's no chance of it happening because the government has no backbone, unlike, it pains me to say, the French, who have the balls to stand up and try to protect their identity.

Rant over.

I was wondering how long it would take someone to use the word "indigenous".

I'm not going to rant back at anyone. I accept the immigration policy has been a shambles over the last 60 years by successive governments of both sides. Yes, immigration was needed but like so many policies the first bit gets done quite well with no plan (or money) to support the really important bit like integrating immigrants properly into a "British" life. Result: immigrants stick together form their own communities no need to learn the language causing mistrust, misunderstanding and an "us and them" situation all over the show. However we are where we are and if we get it right from now on then the issues will go away in a generation. One things for sure, it won't be fixed overnight and starting to ban things is an irrelevance really and like you say won't happen anyway. As for France, let's see where it gets them.

Perhaps this thread illustrates quite well why politics and religion should be off the menu at a dinner party