Bowmaker question

[Captain_Black.]

Hi all.
A Bowmaker question for you.
We have "an open to all" Bowmaker comp coming up.
The ladies get 2x courtesy shots on top of their handicap.
The question is (from my wife) are the 2x courtesy shots applied to their course handicap or their playing handicap after the 85% calculation is applied?

I said it should be added to their course handicap.
There seems to be conflicting views at the club on this & it does make a difference of 1x shot to some players.

Thanks.

 

[Wabinez]

Courtesy shots are usually applied after the playing handicap calculation has been made.

so 85% + 2…if that makes sense

 

[rosecott]

Hi all.
A Bowmaker question for you.
We have "an open to all" Bowmaker comp coming up.
The ladies get 2x courtesy shots on top of their handicap.
The question is (from my wife) are the 2x courtesy shots applied to their course handicap or their playing handicap after the 85% calculation is applied?

I said it should be added to their course handicap.
There seems to be conflicting views at the club on this & it does make a difference of 1x shot to some players.

Thanks.

No such thing as courtesy shots

 

[LizAig]

They aren’t courtesy shots - they are course rating adjustments.
This is from England Golf website:
Understanding Mixed/Multi-Tee Events

How do Handicap Allowances and any other adjustments get applied in an 18-hole mixed/multi-tee event?

• The WHS facilitates play between golfers of any gender, ability or age, as players can compete for the same prize in a competition playing from any rated set of tees
• When playing in an 18-hole mixed or multi-tee event, whatever the format of play, the first step is for each player to calculate their own individual Course Handicap
• Next, the applicable Handicap Allowance for the format of play is applied to the Course Handicap, giving the player their Playing Handicap
• Next, those players playing from a set of tees with a higher Course Rating add additional strokes to their Playing Handicap – equal to the difference between the Course Rating of the tees they are playing from and the tees being played with the lowest Course Rating
• In Four-Ball formats, strokes are only allocated after each player has calculated their individual Playing Handicap. Strokes are then taken from the player with the lowest Playing Handicap
• In Foursomes, any adjustment for the difference in Course Ratings would be half of the combined adjustment for each side

Which card is used in Mixed Foursomes and Four-Ball formats?

• In Foursomes competitions from mixed tees, the Committee must specify in the Terms of the Competition which single set of tees will determine the Pars and Stroke Index that are to be used
• In Four-Ball formats from mixed tees, individual players score using the card and Stroke Index appropriate for the tee they are playing from

 

[jim8flog]

Every time I hear some use the term 'courtesy shot' I cringe. There are not courtesy shots they are shots that a player is entitled to, on some courses it can be the men that get these shots.

As per LizAig these are course adjustments shots.

 

[Captain_Black.]

Thanks all

 

[sjw]

Doesn't the WHS already take into account playing off different tees? Shouldn't your index translate because of CR and slope? Is this for courses with sets of tees not rated for men and women?

 

[jim8flog]

Doesn't the WHS already take into account playing off different tees? Shouldn't your index translate because of CR and slope? Is this for courses with sets of tees not rated for men and women?

No Course adjustment shots in simple terms is what playing to handicap means to each player off different tees.

Where I play
A man playing off the whites - 36 points is playing to handicap
A man playing off the yellows -38 points is playing to handicap
A lady playing off the reds - 35 points is playing to handicap

 

[Alan Clifford]

Doesn't the WHS already take into account playing off different tees? Shouldn't your index translate because of CR and slope? Is this for courses with sets of tees not rated for men and women?

WHS does. But not the England Golf (or is it CONGU?) World handicap sub-system. Except it does for 9 hole rounds.