6 Nations 2017

Captainron said:
I would hate to see this England team eclipse the AB's record of 18 consecutive wins especially as they haven't played them and I don't think they deserve that record. I know they can only beat what's pit I front of them and fair play to that but I hope no one gets carried away and hauls them as great. This England team is good but it's not great.
IF they keep up this form and go on to World Cup glory in 2019 then they will deserve the same sort of respect. The AB's haven't lost a game at home since 2009!
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I agree with this. Seems odd to be taking about this England team as a comparable side to the AB's when their (great) run doesn't include a match against them.


Back to yesterday though, I did think England were due a good performance and they came good. Scotland have been decent this year and to smash them to smithereens in the way that they did was very impressive.
 
Snelly said:
I agree with this. Seems odd to be taking about this England team as a comparable side to the AB's when their (great) run doesn't include a match against them.


Back to yesterday though, I did think England were due a good performance and they came good. Scotland have been decent this year and to smash them to smithereens in the way that they did was very impressive.
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They were excellent against an over prepared Scotland team. Those boys seemed too caught up in the occasion. I had a bet on England winning by more than 20 points 2 weeks ago when the Scots beat Wales and they were being talked up. They were never going to beat England at Twickenham. It may have been different if Scotland had played England at home in the first round when England had a poor game and Scotland played out of their skins.
 
Captainron said:
I would hate to see this England team eclipse the AB's record of 18 consecutive wins especially as they haven't played them and I don't think they deserve that record. I know they can only beat what's pit I front of them and fair play to that but I hope no one gets carried away and hauls them as great. This England team is good but it's not great.
IF they keep up this form and go on to World Cup glory in 2019 then they will deserve the same sort of respect. The AB's haven't lost a game at home since 2009!
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I agree and if you want this sort of record, surely you need to test yourself against all the best rugby nations and that would definitely include the all blacks. That said there was a 3-0 whitewash in Australia
 
Seems to be forgotten that New Zealand did not play England in their run either but did have the benefit of a few minnows in the world cup. Don't get me wrong, New Zealand are the better team but you can only beat who is in front of you. Pity it is a while until that match happens. In all likelihood the run will end, if not in Dublin, when we take a team lacking the lions to Argentina in the summer. 2 wins there with a weakened side would be good but difficult
 
HomerJSimpson said:
I agree and if you want this sort of record, surely you need to test yourself against all the best rugby nations and that would definitely include the all blacks. That said there was a 3-0 whitewash in Australia
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You cant blame England for that. I recon that England are on the rise and moving towards becoming the top international team, they will be will be a good match for NZ.
 
GB72 said:
Seems to be forgotten that New Zealand did not play England in their run either but did have the benefit of a few minnows in the world cup. Don't get me wrong, New Zealand are the better team but you can only beat who is in front of you. Pity it is a while until that match happens. In all likelihood the run will end, if not in Dublin, when we take a team lacking the lions to Argentina in the summer. 2 wins there with a weakened side would be good but difficult
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If anyone else said that I'd swear excuse's were already starting ;)
 
Looking at the New Zealand Schedule in recent years, it is interesting that we have not played them since 2014 and will not be playing them again until next year. A fixture against New Zealand was a staple of the Autumn internationals until 2014 and then that simply stopped. Equally, most of the other teams have had a more recent 3 match tour of New Zealand but not England.

To be fair to both sides, the only meaningful matches would be in a world cup as the 2 tour windows (June and November) are at such differing stages of each country's season and the teams are at such different stages of preparation that the match up is not entirely fair.
 
Oh dear - a strange and dense cloud of gloom just starting to lift - did that really happen? Can't have...horrid dream - so when's the Calcutta Cup match - next weekend? Looking forward to it. Come on the boys!
 
SocketRocket said:
You cant blame England for that. I recon that England are on the rise and moving towards becoming the top international team, they will be will be a good match for NZ.
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Still showing far too much 'single dimension', unimaginative play at this stage! That's not to say aren't a capable side, but Italy's tactics demonstrates how narrow minded they are! Not enough 'leaders' who can think/act on the fly, so they are relying on superior fitness, which is definitely a strength, to get them through games! I'll admit to a huge amount of bias, but when it comes to 'flair', there's no-one that can touch the ABs!

The Lions tour will be 'interesting' but very often the Lions don't live up to the potential of 'Home Nation' abilities! There have been several notable 'exceptions' to that, somewhat depressing view, and that's the key to a Lions team winning in NZ! The Lions management have to make them into a proper team - which is actually quite a considerable challenge!
 
Foxholer said:
Still showing far too much 'single dimension', unimaginative play at this stage! That's not to say aren't a capable side, but Italy's tactics demonstrates how narrow minded they are! Not enough 'leaders' who can think/act on the fly, so they are relying on superior fitness, which is definitely a strength, to get them through games! I'll admit to a huge amount of bias, but when it comes to 'flair', there's no-one that can touch the ABs!

The Lions tour will be 'interesting' but very often the Lions don't live up to the potential of 'Home Nation' abilities! There have been several notable 'exceptions' to that, somewhat depressing view, and that's the key to a Lions team winning in NZ! The Lions management have to make them into a proper team - which is actually quite a considerable challenge!
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I just have to disagree. England are just about coming together under their new coach and the game against Scotland showed they have greatly improved discipline, flair and strategy. Some of the best ball handling I have seen from England and great attacking play. They still have more to come in my opinion and hopefully a back to back grand slam will be a new record for them.
 
Good to see all the six injured Scots players are fit for the Italy game.
Quite a strong team so no excuses
I think it will be a tough game, hope it is open because if we win with a bonus point we can still finish a very unlikely second place.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Good to see all the six injured Scots players are fit for the Italy game.
Quite a strong team so no excuses
I think it will be a tough game, hope it is open because if we win with a bonus point we can still finish a very unlikely second place.
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4 tries and a resounding win to get us back on track. More importantly is where we finish in the world rankings though but that will likely boil down to how other games go.

One way or another I believe we've had a successful 6 nations and the championship itself has been superb this season.
 
You Beuty.
Well done Vern and the team. The two 'reserve' props were fantastic especially Farguson.
Great to see Vern getting a terrific send off

PLEASE don't tell me I have to cheer on England so Scotland can finish second.;)
 
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