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Moeen needs to work out what he is and get back to it. His game has changed to suit a gap that England had in its team and he has lost his way. I hope that he sorts himself out.
 
Listened to an ESPN cricket podcast on the Ashes last night and it started with "the show where talking incoherently and being concussed is all part of the normal show". A little below the belt but it made me laugh.
 
MetalMickie said:
In two Tests he failed to fulfill expectations.

However, in itself, that is not a problem as even Gooch struggled on his early days.

What I did see was a player who struggled to cope with the mental demands of Test cricket. Again not the first to do that.

Youthful talent is all very well but is not much use without mental fortitude.

Plenty flatter to deceive at that age due to not being hard enough when put under pressure.

For example where is Ben Duckett now?

BTW calling another poster "clueless " is, itself, hardly constructive.
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2 matches, mid series against the number 1 side in the world isn't enough to label someone 'completely out of their depth' imo, hence the clueless comment.

Pope has batted in plenty of pressure situations and whilst test cricket is a big step there's few England batsmen in the last 20 years with the pedigree at his age. You don't score double hundereds at any level without application and mental fortitude. Go and look at what the Aussies think of Pope from his time in Grade cricket as an example.

Yes, potential as this age doesn't always translate but Duckett has always been a bit of a prat, completely unfair to compare him with Pope.

Would you have judged Steve Smith, Virat Kohli, James Anderson or any other world class players after 2 tests?
 
Apparently Bancroft is being dropped for Harris, with Pattinson coming in for Siddle. Just lucky Smith is missing.

Excited for this to get started today, can't beat the first morning of a Test match!
 
Dan2501 said:
Apparently Bancroft is being dropped for Harris, with Pattinson coming in for Siddle. Just lucky Smith is missing.

Excited for this to get started today, can't beat the first morning of a Test match!
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Tough on Bancroft. He dug in during the last test, last innings, showed some real guts and technique. Warner mustn't be able to look him in the eye this morning.
 
TheDiablo said:
2 matches, mid series against the number 1 side in the world isn't enough to label someone 'completely out of their depth' imo, hence the clueless comment.

Pope has batted in plenty of pressure situations and whilst test cricket is a big step there's few England batsmen in the last 20 years with the pedigree at his age. You don't score double hundereds at any level without application and mental fortitude. Go and look at what the Aussies think of Pope from his time in Grade cricket as an example.

Yes, potential as this age doesn't always translate but Duckett has always been a bit of a prat, completely unfair to compare him with Pope.

Would you have judged Steve Smith, Virat Kohli, James Anderson or any other world class players after 2 tests?
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So is there a minimum number of Tests that I should see someone play before forming a judgement. After all you are making a pretty definitive call based upon the same number.

I may be wrong ultimately about Pope, for his and England's sake I hope I am.

But I wasn't wrong about Ramprakash and Bopara who were both given many opportunities after being very highly rated as youngsters.
 
Hey, don't be slagging off Ravi as well now. Love that dude. Thought he'd properly cracked it when he made those 3 tons in 3 innings against the West Indies but was ultimately found out by the Aussies, the innings at Lords against WI was brilliant, was gutted when he looked all at sea against Hilfenhaus. He played one of the best innings I've ever seen in a domestic OD game, made 200* and it was one of the most brutal but aesthetically pleasing knocks I've ever seen, shame he couldn't do it consistently Internationally. Was convinced for a while he was the answer for us down the order in ODi's, had a great run in 2013 where he made some quickfire scores and a big hundred, but could never do it consistently.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Moeen needs to work out what he is and get back to it. His game has changed to suit a gap that England had in its team and he has lost his way. I hope that he sorts himself out.
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Spoke to Andy Caddick at the British Par 3's recently (day after we lost 1st test) and he reckons Moeen is finished. Looking at the figures and change to medium pace you have to figure he's right. Can't see anyway back and he looks a lost soul searching from a spark
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Spoke to Andy Caddick at the British Par 3's recently (day after we lost 1st test) and he reckons Moeen is finished. Looking at the figures and change to medium pace you have to figure he's right. Can't see anyway back and he looks a lost soul searching from a spark
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Agree and I don't like that. He is human, seems a nice guy and I hope he finds his way. It may be that county cricket is his future, as it is with so many, and that is fine but he needs to get back to his game and enjoy himself again.
 
Dan2501 said:
Hey, don't be slagging off Ravi as well now. Love that dude. Thought he'd properly cracked it when he made those 3 tons in 3 innings against the West Indies but was ultimately found out by the Aussies, the innings at Lords against WI was brilliant, was gutted when he looked all at sea against Hilfenhaus. He played one of the best innings I've ever seen in a domestic OD game, made 200* and it was one of the most brutal but aesthetically pleasing knocks I've ever seen, shame he couldn't do it consistently Internationally. Was convinced for a while he was the answer for us down the order in ODi's, had a great run in 2013 where he made some quickfire scores and a big hundred, but could never do it consistently.
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To be fair to Bopara I felt that he suffered from the selectors at the time wanting players to play all formats.

To me he was an early example of a cricketer whose talents and temperament were much better suited to the "white ball" game rather than Test cricket.

Fortunately there now appears to be a more enlightened approach although I still hear some suggest that Root should be played in all formats including T20!
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Spoke to Andy Caddick at the British Par 3's recently (day after we lost 1st test) and he reckons Moeen is finished. Looking at the figures and change to medium pace you have to figure he's right. Can't see anyway back and he looks a lost soul searching from a spark
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Sorry but to me thats just garbage. Talented cricketer in a slump, bowls a few overs of medium pace in a county game when the whole sides getting flogged and being totally written off? Could probably do with a break and some time away from cricket having been on the treadmill for several years, recharge his batteries and focus. Just because hes lost his form doesnt mean he's lost his ability. A winter off, a decent pre season and expect we see him filling his boots for Worcester early next season!
 
So Buttlers now a specialist number 7 bat on all accounts (Stokes at 5, Bairstow at 6). Cant think of too many long test careers batting at 7 and not bowling/keeping. How long before Woakes is above him and hes at 8 lol. Keep putting them square pegs in the round holes ED
 
Buttler needs to be batting 5 if he is going to keep his spot for me. One of either Buttler or Bairstow should go long term for a proper batsman, with the other being the dedicated WK. Not convinced either are good enough to maintain a place without the gloves. Buttler was our best batsman last summer but needs some runs this summer, although with Denly struggling above them, they're safe for the series at least.
 
Dan2501 said:
Buttler needs to be batting 5 if he is going to keep his spot for me. One of either Buttler or Bairstow should go long term for a proper batsman, with the other being the dedicated WK. Not convinced either are good enough to maintain a place without the gloves. Buttler was our best batsman last summer but needs some runs this summer, although with Denly struggling above them, they're safe for the series at least.
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Batting at 7 as a specialist in a test team basically means you aren't good enough. Should be top 6 or out of the team.
 
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