2019 Cricket

TheDiablo said:
I stumbled on the Hussain doc/interview the other day. 'Captains Log' I think it was called. I found it fascinating
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Yeah, that's the one. the Gower, Atherton and Ponting one's are good too. The "KP Genius" series has been good to watch too. No one comes out of that in a good light imo, although, the highlights show what a unique talent he was. Fair play to Sky in pulling these together. They have been really interesting.
 
MetalMickie said:
But completely out of his depth at Test level.
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based on 2 tests batting out of position before he was close to ready or something else?

personally wouldnt want to see him thrown into this series would rather wait until the winter when he will certainly be part of the touring squad (as will Sibley) especially if some like Root get a rest

lets be honest mid series throwing a youngster in at the top of the order is not the right way to go, time some of the so called stars put their hands up (Root, Bairstow, Buttler). personally would bat Stokes higher too as he seems about the only one who wants to at least try and guts it out
 
MetalMickie said:
You are a little harsh on Pope.

Out of his depth, but not absolutely clueless.
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Rather than being a smartarse, how about you offer some insight into your opinion? Technical or mental difficiencies you've seen? Meaningful stats to highlight being out of depth? Comparisons with other Test players at 21?

Go on, just try something. Or just continue being a drain.
 
TheDiablo said:
Rather than being a smartarse, how about you offer some insight into your opinion? Technical or mental difficiencies you've seen? Meaningful stats to highlight being out of depth? Comparisons with other Test players at 21?

Go on, just try something. Or just continue being a drain.
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In two Tests he failed to fulfill expectations.

However, in itself, that is not a problem as even Gooch struggled on his early days.

What I did see was a player who struggled to cope with the mental demands of Test cricket. Again not the first to do that.

Youthful talent is all very well but is not much use without mental fortitude.

Plenty flatter to deceive at that age due to not being hard enough when put under pressure.

For example where is Ben Duckett now?

BTW calling another poster "clueless " is, itself, hardly constructive.
 
MetalMickie said:
But completely out of his depth at Test level.
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How do you know when he has had a grand total of two tests

But then you were the one that said Stokes wouldn’t make it at test level and was overrated- that to me points to someone lacking judgement abilities in regards cricket
 
Liverpoolphil said:
How do you know when he has had a grand total of two tests

But then you were the one that said Stokes wouldn’t make it at test level and was overrated- that to me points to someone lacking judgement abilities in regards cricket
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But unlike you I am able to admit when I am wrong.

Although I remain unconvinced by Stokes' bowling under pressure. All-rounders are generally, at heart, one or the other and Stokes to me is a world class batsman who is very useful as a fourth seamer.

And you have underlined my point regarding Pope, poor performances in two Tests but now brought back to cover for Roy, not an opener, when he (Pope) is also not an opener.

Still with your extensive knowledge of the game I have no doubt the selectors will be happy to rely upon your judgement. After all there must remain at least one Somerset player you haven't yet suggested.
 
MetalMickie said:
But unlike you I am able to admit when I am wrong.

Although I remain unconvinced by Stokes' bowling under pressure. All-rounders are generally, at heart, one or the other and Stokes to me is a world class batsman who is very useful as a fourth seamer.

And you have underlined my point regarding Pope, poor performances in two Tests but now brought back to cover for Roy, not an opener, when he (Pope) is also not an opener.

Still with your extensive knowledge of the game I have no doubt the selectors will be happy to rely upon your judgement. After all there must remain at least one Somerset player you haven't yet suggested.
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Is that Somerset players that consistently perform in the county champs and when called upon have performed for England 🙄- maybe they should have called upon more

Pope is more than good enough to play for England - not as an opener though
 
fundy said:
Cracking chase from Somerset in the CC under pressure today, decent win that having conceded 400 first dig, feels like a chance missed for Essex to open up a gap. Hard to not see it going down to the last game of the season at Taunton now!
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Essex will need to get something from Warks as well but we have a big one against Yorkshire - then big games against Surrey and Hampshire respectively
Hopefully it does come down to that last game - going to be a cracking finish especially after thinking this game was done when they put on 400
 
I still think Pope has the potential but it needs to be nurtured and developed and two matches is not enough to make a decision. Coming into what could be a make or break game in an Ashes series isn't the place to do that imo but I think he needs to be on the plane in the winter and used to actually see if he can do it at test level
 
fundy said:
Cracking chase from Somerset in the CC under pressure today, decent win that having conceded 400 first dig, feels like a chance missed for Essex to open up a gap. Hard to not see it going down to the last game of the season at Taunton now!
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Listened to it on the radio whilst wfh. A most entertaining day's play. Would love to see Somerset go on and win it.
 
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