fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
Getting bowled out by Roston Chase on a flat deck, arguably this 2nd inns worse than being bowled out for 77 first time round!
2019 Cricket
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Tongo
Journeyman Pro
Indeed!
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Surely his time must be up soon. He simply cannot put decent scores often enough. Similarly why is Ali viewed as an all rounder?Does Keaton Jennings know you are allowed to move your feet?
Dan2501
Tour Winner
Cricket's back on. How are we now 9 down? How does Chase have 7 wickets? Why is Jimmy Anderson reverse sweeping? What is happening?
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
Dan2501
Tour Winner
Chase finishes with 8/60 despite not turning a ball the whole game Quality.
Quality.
Captainron
Big Hitting, South African Sweary Person
That was a proper old fashioned thrashing. The proverbial beaten like a ginger step child scenario
Well done to the Windies.
Well done to the Windies.
Mudball
Assistant Pro
watched a bit of India v NZ in NZ .. a good kiwi curry .. just could not handle the Indian bowling esp spinners. In the first ODI they were all out for 150ish and so chose to bat first in the second ODI. Indian batting fired up this morning making some 320ish and they ended up bundling the kiwis for about 230 again..
The World Cup is getting nicely set up. .. the three lions are going to peak at the right time
The World Cup is getting nicely set up. .. the three lions are going to peak at the right time
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
Pouring down in Barbados this morning on all accounts with plenty more forecast throughout the day, shame we could show some application yesterday
Tongo
Journeyman Pro
It makes me laugh how there are some comments in the media about England not being a bad side, they've won y of their last 9 test etc. I agree that England could easily turn the tables on the West Indies next test as their batting looks just as frail. But those comments completely miss the point that the ire over the defeat was not because England lost but the manner of defeat. Anybody with a ounce of knowledge of the game (clearly not Messrs Boycott and Flintoff judging by their pre test comments on the West Indies) knew that the West Indies have a decent bowling attack that would cause England's frail batting line-up some problems. So defeat was certainly not out of the question. But what sticks in one's craw is the following:
1.) Making what was an obviously poor selection in sacrificing Broad for some extra batting. Which put England on the back foot and ultimately failed miserably.
2.) Getting skittled out for 77.
3.) Conceding a double hundred to Holder batting at number 8.
4.) Losing 8 wickets to a part-time spin bowler who didnt spin the ball but collected wickets through a succession of feeble shots.
5.) Root claiming that its not down to lack of / poor preparation or the team selection.
People arent stupid, they can see when mistakes have been made and when things have been done poorly. But the whole England set up refuses to admit they have made mistakes, tows the ECB party line and seems genuinely gutless and unable to take criticism. That is what irritates people.
1.) Making what was an obviously poor selection in sacrificing Broad for some extra batting. Which put England on the back foot and ultimately failed miserably.
2.) Getting skittled out for 77.
3.) Conceding a double hundred to Holder batting at number 8.
4.) Losing 8 wickets to a part-time spin bowler who didnt spin the ball but collected wickets through a succession of feeble shots.
5.) Root claiming that its not down to lack of / poor preparation or the team selection.
People arent stupid, they can see when mistakes have been made and when things have been done poorly. But the whole England set up refuses to admit they have made mistakes, tows the ECB party line and seems genuinely gutless and unable to take criticism. That is what irritates people.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
the phrase you are looking for is being on the outside of cricket
complete and utter acceptance and accountability of what everyone can see, they think if they deny stuff often enough then everyone will just believe them
Tongo
Journeyman Pro
I should also have added:
6) Bowling Anderson and Stokes into the ground during the second innings when it was obvious the pitch had flattened out and the West Indies were going to declare at some point.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
whilst the clowns in the commentary box intimated it was because Root couldnt get the ball out of their hands, horrendous captaincy/management and worse commentary lol
Tongo
Journeyman Pro
Root just doesnt strike me as a strong enough captain. Both in terms of selection and tactics.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
trying far too hard to be one of the lads, age old problem of picking your captain from the batsmen whose place is secure in the side! based on that criteria they have a pool of 1 to chose from! that said hes a good tosser....
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Definite.y seemed weak in this test. Even if Anderson and Stokes wanted to keep bowling you have to be strong and take the ball off them and look towards the other two tests and try and save them. This game was lost after the first innings so why flog them. Granted we have Broad coming back which may help but he's another who seems fragile when batting these days. Losing eight wickets to a spinner that didn't really turn it too much summed up the state of the batting. I think the ECB have to accept there has been a lack of preparation and the selectors need to see that their approach didn't work in terms of the balance of the side
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Broad's batting is basically irrelevant; he is a tailender and his responsibility to the side is as a bowler. Any runs he gets are a bonus.
Worrying about the batting of 9, 10 Jack has been part of the muddled selection process surrounding the Test side for years.
Same applies to the wicket-keeping. No point in picking someone who is predominantly a batsman if he is going to cost wickets and runs when in the field.
Captainron
Big Hitting, South African Sweary Person
Rashid not bowling many overs in the second dig I think was quite telling. Seeing as a part timer did the job for the Windies.
I think England will drop Rashid for Broad (Irrespective of the pitch) and Jennings might have a rest but not sure who they would put up there.
I think England will drop Rashid for Broad (Irrespective of the pitch) and Jennings might have a rest but not sure who they would put up there.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
Spot on sir, no Rashid or Jennings in the 12
Denly will open, expect they chose between Curran and Leach as to who misses out depending on the pitch
I've not seen the announcement. If Denly is half decent in this test then surely that is the end of Jennings test career. Frankly even if he isn't it is likely the end. He has had enough chances and just does not look the part.
