2019 Cricket

fundy said:
Skys changing greatly lately too, only really prepared to pay top money for football, slowly but surely anything else expensive is likely to go by the wayside. Theyre certainly not that committed to cricket (or golf or rugby) as they were a few years ago
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Indeed!
 
watched a bit of India v NZ in NZ .. a good kiwi curry .. just could not handle the Indian bowling esp spinners. In the first ODI they were all out for 150ish and so chose to bat first in the second ODI. Indian batting fired up this morning making some 320ish and they ended up bundling the kiwis for about 230 again..

The World Cup is getting nicely set up. .. the three lions are going to peak at the right time
 
It makes me laugh how there are some comments in the media about England not being a bad side, they've won y of their last 9 test etc. I agree that England could easily turn the tables on the West Indies next test as their batting looks just as frail. But those comments completely miss the point that the ire over the defeat was not because England lost but the manner of defeat. Anybody with a ounce of knowledge of the game (clearly not Messrs Boycott and Flintoff judging by their pre test comments on the West Indies) knew that the West Indies have a decent bowling attack that would cause England's frail batting line-up some problems. So defeat was certainly not out of the question. But what sticks in one's craw is the following:

1.) Making what was an obviously poor selection in sacrificing Broad for some extra batting. Which put England on the back foot and ultimately failed miserably.
2.) Getting skittled out for 77.
3.) Conceding a double hundred to Holder batting at number 8.
4.) Losing 8 wickets to a part-time spin bowler who didnt spin the ball but collected wickets through a succession of feeble shots.
5.) Root claiming that its not down to lack of / poor preparation or the team selection.

People arent stupid, they can see when mistakes have been made and when things have been done poorly. But the whole England set up refuses to admit they have made mistakes, tows the ECB party line and seems genuinely gutless and unable to take criticism. That is what irritates people.
 
Tongo said:
It makes me laugh how there are some comments in the media about England not being a bad side, they've won y of their last 9 test etc. I agree that England could easily turn the tables on the West Indies next test as their batting looks just as frail. But those comments completely miss the point that the ire over the defeat was not because England lost but the manner of defeat. Anybody with a ounce of knowledge of the game (clearly not Messrs Boycott and Flintoff judging by their pre test comments on the West Indies) knew that the West Indies have a decent bowling attack that would cause England's frail batting line-up some problems. So defeat was certainly not out of the question. But what sticks in one's craw is the following:

1.) Making what was an obviously poor selection in sacrificing Broad for some extra batting. Which put England on the back foot and ultimately failed miserably.
2.) Getting skittled out for 77.
3.) Conceding a double hundred to Holder batting at number 8.
4.) Losing 8 wickets to a part-time spin bowler who didnt spin the ball but collected wickets through a succession of feeble shots.
5.) Root claiming that its not down to lack of / poor preparation or the team selection.

People arent stupid, they can see when mistakes have been made and when things have been done poorly. But the whole England set up refuses to admit they have made mistakes, tows the ECB party line and seems genuinely gutless and unable to take criticism. That is what irritates people.
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the phrase you are looking for is being on the outside of cricket

complete and utter acceptance and accountability of what everyone can see, they think if they deny stuff often enough then everyone will just believe them
 
fundy said:
the phrase you are looking for is being on the outside of cricket

complete and utter acceptance and accountability of what everyone can see, they think if they deny stuff often enough then everyone will just believe them
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I should also have added:

6) Bowling Anderson and Stokes into the ground during the second innings when it was obvious the pitch had flattened out and the West Indies were going to declare at some point.
 
whilst the clowns in the commentary box intimated it was because Root couldnt get the ball out of their hands, horrendous captaincy/management and worse commentary lol
 
fundy said:
whilst the clowns in the commentary box intimated it was because Root couldnt get the ball out of their hands, horrendous captaincy/management and worse commentary lol
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Root just doesnt strike me as a strong enough captain. Both in terms of selection and tactics.
 
Tongo said:
Root just doesnt strike me as a strong enough captain. Both in terms of selection and tactics.
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trying far too hard to be one of the lads, age old problem of picking your captain from the batsmen whose place is secure in the side! based on that criteria they have a pool of 1 to chose from! that said hes a good tosser....
 
Tongo said:
Root just doesnt strike me as a strong enough captain. Both in terms of selection and tactics.
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Definite.y seemed weak in this test. Even if Anderson and Stokes wanted to keep bowling you have to be strong and take the ball off them and look towards the other two tests and try and save them. This game was lost after the first innings so why flog them. Granted we have Broad coming back which may help but he's another who seems fragile when batting these days. Losing eight wickets to a spinner that didn't really turn it too much summed up the state of the batting. I think the ECB have to accept there has been a lack of preparation and the selectors need to see that their approach didn't work in terms of the balance of the side
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Definite.y seemed weak in this test. Even if Anderson and Stokes wanted to keep bowling you have to be strong and take the ball off them and look towards the other two tests and try and save them. This game was lost after the first innings so why flog them. Granted we have Broad coming back which may help but he's another who seems fragile when batting these days. Losing eight wickets to a spinner that didn't really turn it too much summed up the state of the batting. I think the ECB have to accept there has been a lack of preparation and the selectors need to see that their approach didn't work in terms of the balance of the side
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Broad's batting is basically irrelevant; he is a tailender and his responsibility to the side is as a bowler. Any runs he gets are a bonus.

Worrying about the batting of 9, 10 Jack has been part of the muddled selection process surrounding the Test side for years.

Same applies to the wicket-keeping. No point in picking someone who is predominantly a batsman if he is going to cost wickets and runs when in the field.
 
Rashid not bowling many overs in the second dig I think was quite telling. Seeing as a part timer did the job for the Windies.

I think England will drop Rashid for Broad (Irrespective of the pitch) and Jennings might have a rest but not sure who they would put up there.
 
Captainron said:
Rashid not bowling many overs in the second dig I think was quite telling. Seeing as a part timer did the job for the Windies.

I think England will drop Rashid for Broad (Irrespective of the pitch) and Jennings might have a rest but not sure who they would put up there.
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Spot on sir, no Rashid or Jennings in the 12

Denly will open, expect they chose between Curran and Leach as to who misses out depending on the pitch
 
I've not seen the announcement. If Denly is half decent in this test then surely that is the end of Jennings test career. Frankly even if he isn't it is likely the end. He has had enough chances and just does not look the part.
 
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