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England fought back well with the ball yesterday, which suggests an even series as neither batting line-up appears to have any great substance, but they arent going to chase 300+ down against this West Indies attack.

Stokes again showing what an asset he is with the ball as a more than useful 5th bowler.
 
Root proving himself to be utterly clueless again with his captaincy. Some of the ball following is bad enough but no plan B and bowling Stokes and Anderson into the ground when over 450 behind.

So England got bowled out for 77, how many bowlers will they drop for the 2nd test :)
 
fundy said:
Root proving himself to be utterly clueless again with his captaincy. Some of the ball following is bad enough but no plan B and bowling Stokes and Anderson into the ground when over 450 behind.

So England got bowled out for 77, how many bowlers will they drop for the 2nd test :)
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he should have given all the batsmen a bowl;)
 
fundy said:
Root proving himself to be utterly clueless again with his captaincy. Some of the ball following is bad enough but no plan B and bowling Stokes and Anderson into the ground when over 450 behind.

So England got bowled out for 77, how many bowlers will they drop for the 2nd test :)
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Well they could start with Rashid and Curran.

The former lacks control and if we are to play two spinners then Leach should partner Moeen.

Curran just isn't fast enough to be opening the bowling in the West Indies and both Broad and Woakes should be considered ahead of him in Tests.

I accept your point re: the batting but I just wouldn't know where to begin.

No openers, no number 3 puts us up against it right from the off. We then try packing the lower middle order and tail with guys who are picked as much for their batting as bbowling to cover the failings of our top order.
 
Been a real struggle today for the England bowlers and not too many gremlins in the pitch as far as these two WI batsmen are concerned. Anderson now has an official warning for running on the pitch and none of the bowlers look like they can buy a wicket at the moment and Root's captaincy looks lame and rudderless. A lead of 500+ so the game has gone and I can't see England batting for 3 full days to save it. I think the top order again failed England terribly after the bowlers did a reasonable job. This is going to be a hard defeat to come back from and going to be hard physically for the likes of Anderson and Stokes if they have to keep going
 
MetalMickie said:
Well they could start with Rashid and Curran.

The former lacks control and if we are to play two spinners then Leach should partner Moeen.

Curran just isn't fast enough to be opening the bowling in the West Indies and both Broad and Woakes should be considered ahead of him in Tests.

I accept your point re: the batting but I just wouldn't know where to begin.

No openers, no number 3 puts us up against it right from the off. We then try packing the lower middle order and tail with guys who are picked as much for their batting as bbowling to cover the failings of our top order.
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those 2 both very likely not to be in the 2nd test, the batting as you say where do you start, the only guy sat in the stands is Denly and hes hardly going to set the world on fire you wouldnt think. just the very English way of dealing with being bowled out for 77 will be to drop 2 bowlers and possibly a keeper!
 
You can look at two main areas as to why we are in this position. First is lack of preparation, with no serious first class warm up game. Having a knock against some local fishermen does not count. Secondly, we read the pitch wrong. We thought a turner, whereas Windies went with pace...as that is what they 'ordered'.

The batting has been discussed endlessly. Lack of specialists, reliant on one day biffers to perform.

Dropping Curran isn't a great message, considering he has earnt his place. Broad should have taken Rashid's place not Curran's. Rashid has been mucked about recently and it's clear Root doesn't rate him. He is in the side for variety reasons and not form. Leach should have been given the nod, only if you want two spinners.

Having said all that, we have won many tests recently. I can see us winning this series after losing here. But blind optimism says we can bat out on this deck....🤔
 
Piece said:
You can look at two main areas as to why we are in this position. First is lack of preparation, with no serious first class warm up game. Having a knock against some local fishermen does not count. Secondly, we read the pitch wrong. We thought a turner, whereas Windies went with pace...as that is what they 'ordered'.

The batting has been discussed endlessly. Lack of specialists, reliant on one day biffers to perform.

Dropping Curran isn't a great message, considering he has earnt his place. Broad should have taken Rashid's place not Curran's. Rashid has been mucked about recently and it's clear Root doesn't rate him. He is in the side for variety reasons and not form. Leach should have been given the nod, only if you want two spinners.

Having said all that, we have won many tests recently. I can see us winning this series after losing here. But blind optimism says we can bat out on this deck....🤔
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Problem is hes earnt it mainly with runs down the order counter attacking, not as an opening bowler and weve picked him to do the opening bowler role! (i think hes got more than 1 wicket in a test inns twice!) Could argue Woakes has more form in the book and actually unluckier to miss out (I accept that injury cost him his place)
 
Whoever decided that Stokes should still be bowling after tea wants shooting! 50 overs in the series was probably pencilled in, not 50 in the first test!
 
Another WI century (deserved) and surely a declaration coming soon. Hard to watch at the moment as an England supporter. I think the top order needs urgent surgery but where do the selectors go next? Who else is playing any form of the longer form of the game anywhere that could come in?
 
I love test cricket. By far and away the best form of the game. This is a reason why. Watching a team who weren’t fancied at all put another to the sword and really smash up their morale. Can’t do that in ODI or T20 cricket

Will make for an interesting series now where a whitewash was predicted.
 
Captainron said:
I love test cricket. By far and away the best form of the game. This is a reason why. Watching a team who weren’t fancied at all put another to the sword and really smash up their morale. Can’t do that in ODI or T20 cricket

Will make for an interesting series now where a whitewash was predicted.
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Yeah we might see a couple of very very flat wickets for the next 2 games the only potential downside, hope they leave some grass on and make it a shootout though!

Great for cricket to see a good WI test side, especially with it built on pace bowling. Jason Holder a very popular leader and even more so after this no doubt (as well as having ridiculously good stats the last couple of years)
 
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