Your thoughts please

[HomerJSimpson]

just because hes won a few pots in the last few months shouldnt have any influence on the committee to make a correct decision though surely

Of course it shouldn't and as I said I'm pleased common sense prevailed. My point was that in gaining these pots he has earned a certain noteriety amongst "seasoned" members who see him as a threat particularly to their cosy little roll up.

PSI is a decent system to a point but a pain if you are running late and rushing as we've only got one terminal and its tucked away on the other side of the locker room to the exit out to the course and so can easily be missed in the hurry up. Why we can't have one in the pro shop and bar too (or at least one more terminal somewhere) like other clubs amazes me

 

[Region3]

I can't believe you have to sign in on it before you go out.

On ours you pay in the pro shop and collect your card, by the time you get back in your name's in the computer ready to enter your score.

I'd be really peeved if I failed to so something the R&A don't say is necessary.

 

[RGDave]

I can't believe you have to sign in on it before you go out.

On ours you pay in the pro shop and collect your card, by the time you get back in your name's in the computer ready to enter your score.

I'd be really peeved if I failed to so something the R&A don't say is necessary.

+1.

It's all a bit of a minefield really. My pairs partner turned up for our 2-day champs, paid his £3, did everything as normal, except never signed in the book. Odd the pro never said anything.....I suppose he doesn't care. £3 x 100 players in £300 spent in the pro shop.

 

[rosecott]

The Situation...

A guy a your club started the year off 26 nd is now down to 18. Everyone in your club knows he's improving rapidly and despite playing in every available qualifier is still regularly scoring 39+ pts. Following a competition in which he scores 39 pts he realises he's forgotten to sign in on the PSI system. He explains the situation to the pro, telling him that he doesn't want the money if he wins any, all he's interested in is the cut.

The Question...

CONGU Decision 1
Q. A club has a Competition Condition requiring entry by applying a swipe card to a computer terminal. What is the situation if a player fails to fulfil this obligation?
A. The R&A Rules Limited has ruled “that a committee must lay down a procedure for entry and if a competitor fails to enter a competition in the correct manner he does not have an acceptable score.” Accordingly such a player does not have a score either for the competition or for handicap purposes.

Seems as if his committee got it bang on right and then acted on his current playing ability by a General Play reduction.

 

[Region3]

The Situation...

A guy a your club started the year off 26 nd is now down to 18. Everyone in your club knows he's improving rapidly and despite playing in every available qualifier is still regularly scoring 39+ pts. Following a competition in which he scores 39 pts he realises he's forgotten to sign in on the PSI system. He explains the situation to the pro, telling him that he doesn't want the money if he wins any, all he's interested in is the cut.

The Question...

CONGU Decision 1
Q. A club has a Competition Condition requiring entry by applying a swipe card to a computer terminal. What is the situation if a player fails to fulfil this obligation?
A. The R&A Rules Limited has ruled “that a committee must lay down a procedure for entry and if a competitor fails to enter a competition in the correct manner he does not have an acceptable score.” Accordingly such a player does not have a score either for the competition or for handicap purposes.

Seems as if his committee got it bang on right and then acted on his current playing ability by a General Play reduction.

I stand very much corrected.

I guess I'd get used to it if that's how ours were run, but I'm glad they're not.

 

[Leftie]

I stand very much corrected.

+1

Although I'm very surprised that the result of a competition could be affected by the pass of a swipe card

 

[Imurg]

How does this all work then - we don't have any of this.
YOu come in after the round and enter your scores on the PC - correct?
What happens to the cards? Are they checked against the scores entered? What's to stop you changing the odd score here and there - apart from the cheating part of course..?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Everything is exactly as you would expect, the card goes in the box and is checked for correct h'caps, signature etc. I guess they then check the score against what's in the computer.

Interesting to see there is a ruling for this but it seems a bit harsh, I can understand being disqualified but not even allowing h'cap adjustments seems strange as you are playing under competition conditions. We have to check in with the Pro anyway so surely that must count for something?

I guess the bottom line is the club need to clarify the situation. I've always been told you have to sign in on the PSI but no-one has ever said you are disqualified for not doing so.

 

[MashieNiblick]

Interesting that the Committee can make signing in on the computer a condition of the competition and DQ you if you don't but Decision 6-6b/8 provides that the committe can't DQ you or otherwise penalise you under the Rules of golf for failing to enter your score in a computer.

Decision 6-6b/8 Requirement That Score Be Entered into Computer

"Q. May a Committee, as a condition of competition, provide that a competitor must enter his score into a computer?

A. No. Such a condition would modify Rule 6-6b.
However, while it is not permissible to penalise a player under the Rules of Golf for failing to enter his score into a computer, a Committee may, in order to assist in the administration of the competition, introduce a “club regulation” to this effect and provide disciplinary sanctions (e.g. ineligibility to play in the next club competition(s)) for failure to act in accordance with the regulation."

Hmmm...

 

[Leftie]

Yet another fine mess CONGU have got themselves into by the look of it.

Sounds like Ascot's committee need to put their competition requirements in writing (if not already done) and then someone sends it off to the R and A for comment and clarification on all possible scenarios.





Wanders off, shaking head in despair........

 

[bladeplayer]

A. “that a committee must lay down a procedure for entry

As it says that the committe MUST lay down a procedure for entry , would that not suggest it has to be a local rule thing , the way im reading this is . each committe must lay down its own criteria for entering competitions & if this was not written up or in the club rules then its not compulsory in that club .. hard to see how it can be a rule across the board as some clubs had the sign in before others & maybe there are some that still dont have it .. what has the computer sign in actualy got to do with the comp . the pro has you marked in , you have paid your money . how many check ins do we need , theyl put a book beside the computer next to sign that you have signed in ,, crazy ...

 

[HickoryShaft]

Slightly bemused at this - although disapointed for Sundance. Reason I am bemused is that for a recent comp I paid up in advance, got my card from the Pro, went to sign in and found that the terminal was down. Asked what I should do in that event - sign in in the Clubhouse one? - but was told that was down also due to a general fault on the system.

The Pro said he would record me and the rest of the players in the shop as signed in and we should just go off anyway.

Seems fair enough - he knows we were there, he knows we paid he knows we have to put our signed cards in with correct H/C etc anyway so the result stood. I didn't win but I have no problem at all that the guy who did had the best score and everything was done above board. The only thing different between these 2 stories is that one club applied common sense!