Worlds gone mad

Hobbit said:
If grid girls are to be banned should bin men also be banned? Where do you draw the line between what is and what isn't an acceptable occupation?
Click to expand...

I believe they are called garbage disposal engineers now :D

And we have a young lady on the bin lorry that collects our recycling so I guess that’s a job that anyone can go for - I suspect that being a grid girl was limited to being pretty , having a nice figure and female
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I believe they are called garbage disposal engineers now :D

And we have a young lady on the bin lorry that collects our recycling so I guess that’s a job that anyone can go for - I suspect that being a grid girl was limited to being pretty , having a nice figure and female
Click to expand...

But surely we want our young women to be aiming at something higher than being a garbage disposal engineer?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
That they can look for more in life than to just stand there and be eye candy - wasn’t the Grid girls decision made by the owners of F1 ?

Yes the girls want to do - just like they want to be plastered all over the Daily Sport or Nuts and Zoo - earning money but doesn’t mean it’s not demeaning to females. I suspect the ladies look on it as a step up to other things.

What do they exactly add to the sport ? What is their purpose - it’s supposed to be sport after all as opposed to a parade of pretty ladies.
Click to expand...

Who do you think you are Phil? They're not just eye candy at all. They're all adults who are in full control of their own future whether you think it's right or not is irrelevant.

How can you saying modelling is demeaning? Its a career thats highly paid and satisfying to those that do it or is it just jealousy from other women because they are big fat munters and nobody would want to see them on the darts F1 etc?

They are used as advertising models in darts and horse racing usually on behalf of the main sponsor whose sponsorship money in the sport has improved said sports.
 
Sweep said:
I can just imagine them writing a letter saying that they had reached their quota of non white non British males. They would have been court in days and rightly so.
I can see how that serves diversification, but it doesn’t help solve discrimination.
Click to expand...

Maybe somtimes you have to discriminate (positively or otherwise) to advance diversification?

And if so then it follows that the party who is discriminated against will mostly disagree and the party that is getting an advantage out of it will think it is a needed initiative.
 
Stuart_C said:
Who do you think you are Phil? They're not just eye candy at all. They're all adults who are in full control of their own future whether you think it's right or not is irrelevant.

How can you saying modelling is demeaning? Its a career thats highly paid and satisfying to those that do it or is it just jealousy from other women because they are big fat munters and nobody would want to see them on the darts F1 etc?

They are used as advertising models in darts and horse racing usually on behalf of the main sponsor whose sponsorship money in the sport has improved said sports.
Click to expand...

I would listen to the arguments for those who say it is their choice a lot more if people didn't kind of revert to the 'big fat munters' are leading this argument all the time.
 
Stuart_C said:
Who do you think you are Phil? They're not just eye candy at all. They're all adults who are in full control of their own future whether you think it's right or not is irrelevant.

How can you saying modelling is demeaning? Its a career thats highly paid and satisfying to those that do it or is it just jealousy from other women because they are big fat munters and nobody would want to see them on the darts F1 etc?

They are used as advertising models in darts and horse racing usually on behalf of the main sponsor whose sponsorship money in the sport has improved said sports.
Click to expand...

What is the purpose to F1 for the grid girls - same with the walk on girls ? They are there to look good - they aren’t modelling anything - they are there for deprived men to droll over - that for me doesn’t have a place in sport

The girls in Zoo Nuts etc - flashing your knockers isn’t modelling imo it’s just soft porn for the fat truck drivers to get their kicks

Guys and girls that wear clothes in catalogues or catwalks etc they my idea of models - it maybe wrong but for those it’s not always about the shape or size etc it’s open to all.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
What is the purpose to F1 for the grid girls - same with the walk on girls ? They are there to look good - they aren’t modelling anything - they are there for deprived men to droll over - that for me doesn’t have a place in sport

The girls in Zoo Nuts etc - flashing your knockers isn’t modelling imo it’s just soft porn for the fat truck drivers to get their kicks

Guys and girls that wear clothes in catalogues or catwalks etc they my idea of models - it maybe wrong but for those it’s not always about the shape or size etc it’s open to all.
Click to expand...

Blimey that’s some massive generalisation going off in this post Phil.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
And if the sport require people to meet and greet people and speak to the fans I expect them to employ people and that selection to be based on their abilities as opposed to their looks - you didn’t ever see a grid girl who wasn’t pretty did you so it’s safe to say why they got that job based on their looks
Click to expand...

That's a very naive view. If you go to any event with a meet and greet, PR type of person then if female they are invariably very attractive. It goes with the role. Having a wonderful personality on its own is not enough.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I think the darts and F1 organisers should be applauded for what they are trying to achieve. The ladies are only there for one reason - to look nice
Click to expand...
Hamilton is only there because he is blessed with the ability to be a great driver.
Taylor was only there because he was blessed with the ability to be great a throwing darts at a board.
The girls are there because they are blessed with beauty.
No matter how much you don’t like it people use what they have to make a living. Who are you or I to tell them they can’t?
I couldn’t make it as a male model, or as a pro golfer or footballer so I found something I was good at and I try to make the most of my opportunities, just like everyone else. Why shouldn’t they just because some think it’s demeaning?
The strange thing is that those who want to restrict others in things like this are the first to stand up for freedom of the individual, the right to choose and to shout down institutions like the church for telling people what they can and can’t do, like have an abortion etc yet somehow think they can save these girls from themselves and make society more respectable.
Now if there was evidence that these girls were being forced into doing this, then yes I would have a serious problem with it. But the evidence is that this is not the case.
An earlier poster had it right a few pages ago. LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT. What’s wrong with that?
 
Hacker Khan said:
Maybe somtimes you have to discriminate (positively or otherwise) to advance diversification?

And if so then it follows that the party who is discriminated against will mostly disagree and the party that is getting an advantage out of it will think it is a needed initiative.
Click to expand...
If there was no discrimination there would be no need for diversification.
You can’t cure a problem by creating more of the same problems.
We need to change attitudes and that is happening.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
That's a very naive view. If you go to any event with a meet and greet, PR type of person then if female they are invariably very attractive. It goes with the role. Having a wonderful personality on its own is not enough.
Click to expand...

I went into the BMW owners hospitality area at Wentworth a couple of years ago. Very attractive young lady checking car keys as you went in, I asked if she worked for BMW. "No, I'm a model just working here for a few days" was her reply. Nothing but the best for BMW owners :thup:
 
Sweep said:
Hamilton is only there because he is blessed with the ability to be a great driver.
Taylor was only there because he was blessed with the ability to be great a throwing darts at a board.
The girls are there because they are blessed with beauty.
No matter how much you don’t like it people use what they have to make a living. Who are you or I to tell them they can’t?
I couldn’t make it as a male model, or as a pro golfer or footballer so I found something I was good at and I try to make the most of my opportunities, just like everyone else. Why shouldn’t they just because some think it’s demeaning?
The strange thing is that those who want to restrict others in things like this are the first to stand up for freedom of the individual, the right to choose and to shout down institutions like the church for telling people what they can and can’t do, like have an abortion etc yet somehow think they can save these girls from themselves and make society more respectable.
Now if there was evidence that these girls were being forced into doing this, then yes I would have a serious problem with it. But the evidence is that this is not the case.
An earlier poster had it right a few pages ago. LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT. What’s wrong with that?
Click to expand...

Another way to look at it is that the skills or attributes that they possess are no longer needed in their specific job. This is happening a lot all over many professions, many jobs are being lost or replaced with automation, these roles are being replaced as the role they performed is no longer being seen as needed by their employers. I am sure they will find alternative work where they can maximise the advantage of their natural beauty.

Also, there is an irony in the fact that those who are so passionate about letting people do want they want are so against people wearing a collarless untucked t shirt when they play golf. Works both ways, people are full of contradictions. ;)
 
Last edited:
Sweep said:
Hamilton is only there because he is blessed with the ability to be a great driver.
Taylor was only there because he was blessed with the ability to be great a throwing darts at a board.
The girls are there because they are blessed with beauty.
No matter how much you don’t like it people use what they have to make a living. Who are you or I to tell them they can’t?
I couldn’t make it as a male model, or as a pro golfer or footballer so I found something I was good at and I try to make the most of my opportunities, just like everyone else. Why shouldn’t they just because some think it’s demeaning?
The strange thing is that those who want to restrict others in things like this are the first to stand up for freedom of the individual, the right to choose and to shout down institutions like the church for telling people what they can and can’t do, like have an abortion etc yet somehow think they can save these girls from themselves and make society more respectable.
Now if there was evidence that these girls were being forced into doing this, then yes I would have a serious problem with it. But the evidence is that this is not the case.
An earlier poster had it right a few pages ago. LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT. What’s wrong with that?
Click to expand...

Hamilton is there because he is a F1 driver and it’s the sport of F1 - what does standing there looking pretty have to do with the sport of F1 - what does it add ? What does the actual sport lose if they aren’t there

Same with the darts - the other night there were no walk on girls - made zero difference to the actual sport and the action

The owners of the sport have decided those two things are no longer needed for the sport - will it change the sport in anyway - doubt it , will people stop watching the sport ? I expect not and if they did you would question why they were watching the sport in first place
 
So, a couple of examples to try to illustrate my point of view.

I remember being in a restaurant in Malta, two guys, two girls, none romantically linked, just friends. We were teasing the girls on how long they took to get ready and asked them why they spent so much time and money on their appearance. My friend suggested they did it to look good in front of men. The girls just laughed. “God, no! We do it for ourselves! Don’t you want to look your best? We enjoy looking good.”

Another time I was in Vegas (globetrotter, I know) on a work thing and we were in a club. They were asking for girls to volunteer to go backstage where they had some makeover people and then the girls would be put in a bikini and heels before coming out on stage. I was amazed that one of the young ladies from a US supplier really wanted to do it. The paternal side of me wanted to tell her not to be so silly but another side was asking who was I to tell her what she could and couldn’t do? I just asked her why she would want to do it? It wasn’t like she needed to, she had a great job. It was clear that she loved that people found her attractive, that she knew she was great looking and she liked that people admired her looks. She wanted to do it because she would enjoy it.

Probably more relavent to the darts girls thing is that when I was in my 20’s I went out with a girl who was studying at ballet school. I was a rep and was going out selling my product and she would occasionally go for auditions. Typically they would wait around at auditions, sometimes for hours, trying to keep warmed up, waiting to be called in. Many times the producer would just say “no” even before they had the chance to dance a step, because the way the dancer looked sometimes didn’t fit the part. I was horrified but she explained that I had my product, my commodity that I tried to sell every day. Lots of the time people didn’t want to buy it, so they said no and rejected it. I didn’t take it personally, they just didn’t want my product. She said that when you are a model or an actor or a dancer, you are your own commodity. You couldn’t take the rejection personally. It was just work. Just like what I did. And when they did get that part and had the chance to dance in front of an appreciative audience it was amazing and made up for everything.

Perhaps in the rush to condemn the parts the darts girls and the F1 girls et al play, maybe we should stop to ask the girls themselves why they do it. We might be surprised. Just like I was on each of the three occasions above.

If it’s not exploitation and the girls don’t feel it’s demeaning then really what is the problem?
London Fashion Week is a big earner for the UK. Are we dumping that too?

If we are not very careful we are in great danger of starting to limit personal freedoms and quickly becoming a very dull, prudish and humourless nation.
 
Sweep said:
So, a couple of examples to try to illustrate my point of view.

I remember being in a restaurant in Malta, two guys, two girls, none romantically linked, just friends. We were teasing the girls on how long they took to get ready and asked them why they spent so much time and money on their appearance. My friend suggested they did it to look good in front of men. The girls just laughed. “God, no! We do it for ourselves! Don’t you want to look your best? We enjoy looking good.”

Another time I was in Vegas (globetrotter, I know) on a work thing and we were in a club. They were asking for girls to volunteer to go backstage where they had some makeover people and then the girls would be put in a bikini and heels before coming out on stage. I was amazed that one of the young ladies from a US supplier really wanted to do it. The paternal side of me wanted to tell her not to be so silly but another side was asking who was I to tell her what she could and couldn’t do? I just asked her why she would want to do it? It wasn’t like she needed to, she had a great job. It was clear that she loved that people found her attractive, that she knew she was great looking and she liked that people admired her looks. She wanted to do it because she would enjoy it.

Probably more relavent to the darts girls thing is that when I was in my 20’s I went out with a girl who was studying at ballet school. I was a rep and was going out selling my product and she would occasionally go for auditions. Typically they would wait around at auditions, sometimes for hours, trying to keep warmed up, waiting to be called in. Many times the producer would just say “no” even before they had the chance to dance a step, because the way the dancer looked sometimes didn’t fit the part. I was horrified but she explained that I had my product, my commodity that I tried to sell every day. Lots of the time people didn’t want to buy it, so they said no and rejected it. I didn’t take it personally, they just didn’t want my product. She said that when you are a model or an actor or a dancer, you are your own commodity. You couldn’t take the rejection personally. It was just work. Just like what I did. And when they did get that part and had the chance to dance in front of an appreciative audience it was amazing and made up for everything.

Perhaps in the rush to condemn the parts the darts girls and the F1 girls et al play, maybe we should stop to ask the girls themselves why they do it. We might be surprised. Just like I was on each of the three occasions above.

If it’s not exploitation and the girls don’t feel it’s demeaning then really what is the problem?
London Fashion Week is a big earner for the UK. Are we dumping that too?

If we are not very careful we are in great danger of starting to limit personal freedoms and quickly becoming a very dull, prudish and humourless nation.
Click to expand...
Sweep you talk a lot of sense.
 
Sweep said:
So, a couple of examples to try to illustrate my point of view.

I remember being in a restaurant in Malta, two guys, two girls, none romantically linked, just friends. We were teasing the girls on how long they took to get ready and asked them why they spent so much time and money on their appearance. My friend suggested they did it to look good in front of men. The girls just laughed. “God, no! We do it for ourselves! Don’t you want to look your best? We enjoy looking good.”

Another time I was in Vegas (globetrotter, I know) on a work thing and we were in a club. They were asking for girls to volunteer to go backstage where they had some makeover people and then the girls would be put in a bikini and heels before coming out on stage. I was amazed that one of the young ladies from a US supplier really wanted to do it. The paternal side of me wanted to tell her not to be so silly but another side was asking who was I to tell her what she could and couldn’t do? I just asked her why she would want to do it? It wasn’t like she needed to, she had a great job. It was clear that she loved that people found her attractive, that she knew she was great looking and she liked that people admired her looks. She wanted to do it because she would enjoy it.

Probably more relavent to the darts girls thing is that when I was in my 20’s I went out with a girl who was studying at ballet school. I was a rep and was going out selling my product and she would occasionally go for auditions. Typically they would wait around at auditions, sometimes for hours, trying to keep warmed up, waiting to be called in. Many times the producer would just say “no” even before they had the chance to dance a step, because the way the dancer looked sometimes didn’t fit the part. I was horrified but she explained that I had my product, my commodity that I tried to sell every day. Lots of the time people didn’t want to buy it, so they said no and rejected it. I didn’t take it personally, they just didn’t want my product. She said that when you are a model or an actor or a dancer, you are your own commodity. You couldn’t take the rejection personally. It was just work. Just like what I did. And when they did get that part and had the chance to dance in front of an appreciative audience it was amazing and made up for everything.

Perhaps in the rush to condemn the parts the darts girls and the F1 girls et al play, maybe we should stop to ask the girls themselves why they do it. We might be surprised. Just like I was on each of the three occasions above.

If it’s not exploitation and the girls don’t feel it’s demeaning then really what is the problem?
London Fashion Week is a big earner for the UK. Are we dumping that too?

If we are not very careful we are in great danger of starting to limit personal freedoms and quickly becoming a very dull, prudish and humourless nation.
Click to expand...

Why are you comparing it all to London Fashion Week ? - the models in that situation are key and essential to the whole event , there are all shapes and sizes and sex - they are needed for fashion labels to show their designs off. It’s all about the clothes they are wearing - the fashion models are equally as important to the event

A walk on girl or grid girl is not essential to sport - the sport doesn’t change one single bit without them - what do they add to the actual sport ? It’s a sporting event not a fashion show
Guess there must be an answer to that question
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Why are you comparing it all to London Fashion Week ? - the models in that situation are key and essential to the whole event , there are all shapes and sizes and sex - they are needed for fashion labels to show their designs off. It’s all about the clothes they are wearing - the fashion models are equally as important to the event

A walk on girl or grid girl is not essential to sport - the sport doesn’t change one single bit without them - what do they add to the actual sport ? It’s a sporting event not a fashion show
Guess there must be an answer to that question
Click to expand...
Football mascots,let’s get rid of them for a start.
Football will not be affected one bit.

National anthems at sporting events,sorry but that’s got nothing to do with sport.

And I’ll ask you the question again,Do you still watch Strictly come dancing to watch the women wearing little clothing?
Or are you a changed man now Phil?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Billysboots
SPOTY 2025
6 7 8
Replies
142
Views
3K
Swango1980
S
Arthur Wedge
British and Irish Lions Tour 2025 - Australia
3 4 5
Replies
84
Views
6K
irip
I
B
How to play digital audio tracks?
2
Replies
22
Views
2K
jim8flog
jim8flog
N
What is a sport?
4 5 6
Replies
116
Views
8K
jim8flog
jim8flog
Tashyboy
Oakmont par 3, 301 yds
4 5 6
Replies
101
Views
6K
sunshine
S
Top