World Handicap System (WHS)

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

One of the things about al that appears to have been missed is that I know quite a few of the swindles where I play operate their own handicap system any way which is only loosely based upon a players official handicap.

One I joined I won first time I played in it, they cut me two shots and I never got those two shots back for nearly 10 years, when they decided to change to a new system.

Likewise - handicap is reduced if you are a 'winner' - except your rollup handicap gets reset to club handicap at the end of October and then again end of March. We will mark our cards (log our score in the app) in accordance with our club handicap and our WHS 'counting' score will be recorded. For those who are in the mix on any day the roll-up organiser will simply manually deduct stableford points in accordance with their adjusted roll-up handicap as he is checking the cards.

 

[HampshireHog]

I can’t see why you you wouldn’t apply the 95% all the time, surely its more psychologically damaging if you are only losing a shot on a hole when you play a competition.

Personally, I don’t play for money so if someone wants to delude themselves that they’ve scored better than they have, knock yourself out.

If roll ups want their own handicaps so the pot gets shared around I’m all for it.

If someone bangs in a load of crap cards outside of comps and lowers there handicap before a real comp, there probably “gaming“ ? the system, and club had better be policing it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I can’t see why you you wouldn’t apply the 95% all the time, surely its more psychologically damaging if you are only losing a shot on a hole when you play a competition.

Personally, I don’t play for money so if someone wants to delude themselves that they’ve scored better than they have, knock yourself out.

If roll ups want their own handicaps so the pot gets shared around I’m all for it.

If someone bangs in a load of crap cards outside of comps and lowers there handicap before a real comp, there probably “gaming“ ? the system, and club had better be policing it.

This being one reason (the main reason?) why clubs such as mine want to convert as many 'informal' competitions run within the club by the members - such as rollups - into WHS 'counting' comps. Members will see other members 'playing' the system and that would not go down well.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

One of the things about al that appears to have been missed is that I know quite a few of the swindles where I play operate their own handicap system any way which is only loosely based upon a players official handicap.

One I joined I won first time I played in it, they cut me two shots and I never got those two shots back for nearly 10 years, when they decided to change to a new system.

Interestingly we had this system in place for a seniors roll-up where "handicaps" were reviewed each month by the organisers and arbitary decisions taken. In the build-up to WHS there were a large number of supplementary scores entered and the real handicaps adjusted significantly before WHS introduction. The roll-up groups have now dropped their own sysrem as the WHS system reflects the current ability of the players (who'd have thought!)

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Draws made for three of the summer comps I'm in. I can see online who I am playing - also for each player the HI, the CH and for each comp the PH plus shots given/received in the match. Great! I don't have to work out anything

Pity that in the singles K/O I have been drawn against guy who'd be one of the favourites to win it - as is the pair me and my mate have been drawn against in 4BBB K/O. Ah well.

 

[jim8flog]

Draws made for three of the summer comps I'm in. I can see online who I am playing - also for each player the HI, the CH and for each comp the PH plus shots given/received in the match. Great! I don't have to work out anything

Pity that in the singles K/O I have been drawn against guy who'd be one of the favourites to win it - as is the pair me and my mate have been drawn against in 4BBB K/O. Ah well.

If they are showing all this info now will it be up to date on the day you play?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If they are showing all this info now will it be up to date on the day you play?

I assume that it's 'live' as it's not in a static report format. I click on the competition name; then I click on My Opponent Details/Result Entry>View Shots Given

That then displays my name and my opponents name; and for both of us (in a little tabulated format) our HI / CH / PH / Diff with Diff being the shots received.

If I want I can click through to my opponents full WHS scoring record and HI calculation

 

[abjectplop]

Does anyone know how the PCC is calculated? Is there a formula like there was under CONGU CSS? My early experience of posting scores suggests a PCC is less likely than under the old system.

 

[Imurg]

Does anyone know how the PCC is calculated? Is there a formula like there was under CONGU CSS? My early experience of posting scores suggests a PCC is less likely than under the old system.

Probably slightly less witchcraft involved in PCC than CSS but not much....

 

[D-S]

Does anyone know how the PCC is calculated? Is there a formula like there was under CONGU CSS? My early experience of posting scores suggests a PCC is less likely than under the old system.

As far as I understand the formula has not been released to the public, I assume that if you keep it as proprietary information other handicapping tracking software companies cannot replicate WHS exactly.
Also EG believe that PCC will not kick in as often as CSS changes.

 

[Bdill93]

As far as I understand the formula has not been released to the public, I assume that if you keep it as proprietary information other handicapping tracking software companies cannot replicate WHS exactly.
Also EG believe that PCC will not kick in as often as CSS changes.

PCC kicked in for one of my 4 rounds submitted since WHS came in - a horrendous morning, wind blowing and the lowest score was a 75 on SSS 68.. Had a few days that werent quite as bad but still pretty bad - no PCC!

 

[Ridgeman]

Yesterday was my first scoring round for the new handicap purposes. I was 12.1 which is 13 on my course. I scored a net 73. I can knock one of that due to someone changing my putter on a par 3 and making me 4 putt it. They must have swopped it back after as the putting was OK after that. My handicap was cut to 11.7.

This is going to get very confusing as the weeks roll by!

 

[AliMc]

Yesterday was my first scoring round for the new handicap purposes. I was 12.1 which is 13 on my course. I scored a net 73. I can knock one of that due to someone changing my putter on a par 3 and making me 4 putt it. They must have swopped it back after as the putting was OK after that. My handicap was cut to 11.7.

This is going to get very confusing as the weeks roll by!

It's not that confusing really, your score from yesterday must have replaced one of your eight counting scores and the score differential between the two must have been in the region of 3 so you came down by one eighth of 3 so 0.4 ?

 

[ger147]

Does anyone know what the WHS handicap allowance is for a tri-am competition? I can't see anything on the new WHS handicap allowance chart for tri-ams.

 

[Ridgeman]

It's not that confusing really, your score from yesterday must have replaced one of your eight counting scores and the score differential between the two must have been in the region of 3 so you came down by one eighth of 3 so 0.4 ?

My problem is knowing what the best 8 of 20 were and which round is about to drop off. The scoring online I can see includes winter stablefords etc. It would be useful to easily see the last 20 counting rounds and what the "best" 8 are. That way I can keep up to date and keep ahead rather than waiting for the computer to decide the next day.

 

[Deleted member 15717]

My problem is knowing what the best 8 of 20 were and which round is about to drop off. The scoring online I can see includes winter stablefords etc. It would be useful to easily see the last 20 counting rounds and what the "best" 8 are. That way I can keep up to date and keep ahead rather than waiting for the computer to decide the next day.

If you have the England Golf app, then your scoring rounds are highlighted in green.
On the Intelligent Golf app, your scoring rounds are in yellow with a star.

Pretty sure HDID or other ISVs also highlight your 8 scoring rounds clearly

 

[Ridgeman]

If you have the England Golf app, then your scoring rounds are highlighted in green.
On the Intelligent Golf app, your scoring rounds are in yellow with a star.

Pretty sure HDID or other ISVs also highlight your 8 scoring rounds clearly

I'm Scotland using HowdidIdo app. Not seeing the scoring rounds separated. I can see medal which of course is scoring but stablefords include non-scoring ones run by pro and scoring ones run by club. Equally can't download them in order to manipulate them in excel. I have emailed howdidido support to see if I am missing something

 

[AliMc]

My problem is knowing what the best 8 of 20 were and which round is about to drop off. The scoring online I can see includes winter stablefords etc. It would be useful to easily see the last 20 counting rounds and what the "best" 8 are. That way I can keep up to date and keep ahead rather than waiting for the computer to decide the next day.

Ok don't know what yours does but on Scottish Golf app we have been using the best 8 rounds from the original 20 were highlighted in yellow (i have 28 scores shown now) the highlighting changes after each new round is added to always show the best 8 from the most recent 20 rounds. 7 of my 8 GP scores have reduced my HI, using my gross score, course index and slope rating I can work out the score differential for my most recent round and work out the effect on my HI before the process runs during the night, it's always fun to check in the morning for confirmation !

 

[Ridgeman]

Ok don't know what yours does but on Scottish Golf app we have been using the best 8 rounds from the original 20 were highlighted in yellow (i have 28 scores shown now) the highlighting changes after each new round is added to always show the best 8 from the most recent 20 rounds. 7 of my 8 GP scores have reduced my HI, using my gross score, course index and slope rating I can work out the score differential for my most recent round and work out the effect on my HI before the process runs during the night, it's always fun to check in the morning for confirmation !

Thanks for that. I can see the 8 in yellow now and the last 20 on the Scottish Golf app! I have too many apps. BRS for booking, how did I do for records and Scottish golf for ignoring (up till now).

 

[AliMc]

Thanks for that. I can see the 8 in yellow now and the last 20 on the Scottish Golf app! I have too many apps. BRS for booking, how did I do for records and Scottish golf for ignoring (up till now).

No worries, we at Dunbar are just changing over to IG but have found the process on the SG app to be really slick