World Handicap System (WHS)

[jim8flog]

Yesterday was my first scoring round for the new handicap purposes. I was 12.1 which is 13 on my course. I scored a net 73. I can knock one of that due to someone changing my putter on a par 3 and making me 4 putt it. They must have swopped it back after as the putting was OK after that. My handicap was cut to 11.7.

This is going to get very confusing as the weeks roll by!

Just as confusing as to what you mean by someone changing you putter. (assuming it is not just a joke about your own mental state)

 

[jim8flog]

Does anyone know what the WHS handicap allowance is for a tri-am competition? I can't see anything on the new WHS handicap allowance chart for tri-ams.

I do not know what a tri am is please explain the format.

 

[ger147]

I do not know what a tri am is please explain the format.

Team of 3 players, best net score on each hole counts.

 

[rosecott]

Yesterday was my first scoring round for the new handicap purposes. I was 12.1 which is 13 on my course. I scored a net 73. I can knock one of that due to someone changing my putter on a par 3 and making me 4 putt it. They must have swopped it back after as the putting was OK after that. My handicap was cut to 11.7.

This is going to get very confusing as the weeks roll by!

Did you calculate your net 73 using Course Handicap or Playing Handicap?

 

[rulefan]

Team of 3 players, best net score on each hole counts.

There isn't a recommendation in Appendix C of the WHS manual.
Best 1 of 4 is 75%

 

[chrisd]

So we have a 2 day "friendly Stableford" comp off yellows this weekend. One green temporary off yellows, and apparently it's non qualifying - should it be qualifying given the idea (I thought) was to get as many cards in the system as possible

 

[jim8flog]

Team of 3 players, best net score on each hole counts.

I have it in my table

Best one of 3 is 70%

It was in The Guidance on the Rules (from memory)

For future reference
Teams of 3
Best 1 of 3 stroke play
70%
Best 2 of 3 stroke play
85%
All 3 of 3 stroke play
100%

 

[YandaB]

There isn't a recommendation in Appendix C of the WHS manual.
Best 1 of 4 is 75%

But there is one in the England Golf Guidance for GB&I:

Team Formats of Play: Best of 3 The WHS recommended stroke allowances does not cover advice on ‘Best of’ 3-ball teams. The following stroke allowances should be used:
Best 1 of 3 - 70%
Best 2 of 3 - 85%
All 3 of 3 - 100%

So 70% in this tri am case.

Edit: Jim8flog beat me to it. I got it from: https://www.englandgolf.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/WHS-Rules-Reference-Guide.pdf

 

[ger147]

I have it in my table

Best one of 3 is 70%

It was in The Guidance on the Rules (from memory)

But best 1 of 4 is 75%? Doesn't seem to make sense...

 

[jim8flog]

But best 1 of 4 is 75%? Doesn't seem to make sense...

Guidance on the Rules of Handicapping
Appendix I IV Page 43

 

[ger147]

Guidance on the Rules of Handicapping
Appendix I IV Page 43

Unless I'm misunderstanding what best 1 out of 4 means, it doesn't make sense to me you get more shots when there are more members in your team. 70% for a 3 man team vs 75% for a 4 man team looks odd.

 

[jim8flog]

Unless I'm misunderstanding what best 1 out of 4 means, it doesn't make sense to me you get more shots when there are more members in your team. 70% for a 3 man team vs 75% for a 4 man team looks odd.

I am only quoting what it says however that same calculation applies to all teams so it really does not make a difference.

The other side is that the best 2 and all 3 have the same allowance as a 4 ball team.

 

[ger147]

I am only quoting what it says however that same calculation applies to all teams so it really does not make a difference.

The other side is that the best 2 and all 3 have the same allowance as a 4 ball team.

Yes and thank you, it's good to know as our committee isn't the best at communicating stuff like this and as our team tees off at 8:30am on Sat morning, it's important to know in advance so we correctly work out the right net scores for our team as we may not see anyone in authority before we tee off.

But as a mathematician to trade, it's odd that it's 70%. For 4BBB (a 2 man team) you get 85% and best 1 of 4 is 75%, so mathematically you would expect a 3 man team to be halfway in between i.e. 80%. So 70% looks odd, to me at least.

Thank you for the info, your help is much appreciated ??

 

[rulefan]

But there is one in the England Golf Guidance for GB&I:

Team Formats of Play: Best of 3 The WHS recommended stroke allowances does not cover advice on ‘Best of’ 3-ball teams. The following stroke allowances should be used:
Best 1 of 3 - 70%
Best 2 of 3 - 85%
All 3 of 3 - 100%

So 70% in this tri am case.

Edit: Jim8flog beat me to it. I got it from: https://www.englandgolf.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/WHS-Rules-Reference-Guide.pdf

Thanks. I had forgotten it was added in there.

 

[Sweep]

Anyone’s index altered this week without them putting a card in?
Asking for a friend. No I really am! ?

 

[Swinglowandslow]

As someone who hasn't looked deeply into this, being a sometime competition player at my club. ( no comps elsewhere etc). I had a discussion with my pp yesterday and we were unsure if the changing condition of the course was part of the calculation re your handicap.

As I understand it, when I book in to the competition my HI is confirmed by the computer. I then take that and , according to a chart at the Club, I use it to ascertain my Course handicap for the course I'm playing and whichever tees are being used?
That Course handicap is then used to get the playing handicap for that day which ,say, individual stableford, is 95%?

The discussion was that, as the chart displayed at the Club never changes, (he tells me ), how does the calculation take any account of the changes that might occur to the course?
Or are we wrong to think that whatever changes to the course might occur do affect the calculation of PI at all.?

TIA

 

[ForeRight]

If by "changes to the course" you mean permanent alterations to holes etc, then clubs should request a re-rating when significant changes are made to their golf course. I suggest your local county union can give guidance on what constitutes a signicifcant change.

If you mean the changes due to the weather conditions, i.e hot / cold or windy / calm , then the rating assumes a reasonably nice day. Any changes required due to weather are made by the PCC when all scores for the day are processed.

 

[jim8flog]

As someone who hasn't looked deeply into this, being a sometime competition player at my club. ( no comps elsewhere etc). I had a discussion with my pp yesterday and we were unsure if the changing condition of the course was part of the calculation re your handicap.

As I understand it, when I book in to the competition my HI is confirmed by the computer. I then take that and , according to a chart at the Club, I use it to ascertain my Course handicap for the course I'm playing and whichever tees are being used?
That Course handicap is then used to get the playing handicap for that day which ,say, individual stableford, is 95%?

The discussion was that, as the chart displayed at the Club never changes, (he tells me ), how does the calculation take any account of the changes that might occur to the course?
Or are we wrong to think that whatever changes to the course might occur do affect the calculation of PI at all.?

TIA

As per ForeRight nothing changes before you go out.

His PCC equals Playing Condition Calculation. Like the old competition standard scratch it this figure which is used to check how you played on the day and sets the figure for your qualifying score for handicap purposes.

 

[jim8flog]

So we have a 2 day "friendly Stableford" comp off yellows this weekend. One green temporary off yellows, and apparently it's non qualifying - should it be qualifying given the idea (I thought) was to get as many cards in the system as possible

Only one temp green allows the comp to be a qualifier (you are allowed 2)

 

[wjemather]

Only one temp green allows the comp to be a qualifier (you are allowed 2)

As I understand it, the length of the hole(s)/course still needs to be within the allowed variance from the rated distance.