World Handicap System (WHS)

[Swango1980]

Now we have our indicative index numbers, does this give us more scope to say that course A is harder than course B?
For example my 7.2 gives me 8 shots on my home course but would only give me 7 on my previous one.
Can I now say with some degree of certainty that my current course is harder than my previous?

Nope, but you can say that Course A is harder/easier than course B for higher handicappers relative to low handicappers.

The Course Rating is a better reflection of the absolute difficulty, just like SSS is at the moment.

 

[rulefan]

Now we have our indicative index numbers, does this give us more scope to say that course A is harder than course B?
For example my 7.2 gives me 8 shots on my home course but would only give me 7 on my previous one.
Can I now say with some degree of certainty that my current course is harder than my previous?

As Swango says but you can say it is more difficult for YOU.

 

[Deleted member 3432]

Now we have our indicative index numbers, does this give us more scope to say that course A is harder than course B?
For example my 7.2 gives me 8 shots on my home course but would only give me 7 on my previous one.
Can I now say with some degree of certainty that my current course is harder than my previous?

According to the people that do the course ratings.

 

[Imurg]

As Swango says but you can say it is more difficult for YOU.

Probably how I should have worded it..

 

[IanMcC]

Yeah, looks like Ian might have got the correct average (which would essentially be the Course Handicap), but then got the 113 and 132 the wrong way round when working out the Index.

Guilty as charged. Numerator and denominator troubles! Its a good job the software does all the calculations, isn't it!!

 

[Imurg]

These "provisional" handicap indexs only take into account scores up until 5th October - correct?
So if I have no scores since then will my Index change and if so, why?

 

[Swango1980]

These "provisional" handicap indexs only take into account scores up until 5th October - correct?
So if I have no scores since then will my Index change and if so, why?

It could, but probably not by much. This is because the CSS has still not been factored in. I understand they are working furiously to ensure it is back in before launch. So, if they update it before then, your Index could change a bit.

In addition, for those that have only just got a CONGU handicap, the WHS completely ignores those 3 cards at the moment. If they haven't handed any scores in since, their Index is simply = to Congu handicap. This will give them a Course Handicap that is far too high. So, either this will be resolved by WHS before it goes live, or it will be up to handicap committees to spot this. Given the number of new memberships since lockdown, this impacts on almost 100 golfers at my club, some of the higher handicappers getting nearly 10 additional shots course handicap.

Also, Committees are meant to do a review as soon as it goes live. So, they may change something.

 

[YandaB]

It could, but probably not by much. This is because the CSS has still not been factored in. I understand they are working furiously to ensure it is back in before launch. So, if they update it before then, your Index could change a bit.

In addition, for those that have only just got a CONGU handicap, the WHS completely ignores those 3 cards at the moment. If they haven't handed any scores in since, their Index is simply = to Congu handicap. This will give them a Course Handicap that is far too high. So, either this will be resolved by WHS before it goes live, or it will be up to handicap committees to spot this. Given the number of new memberships since lockdown, this impacts on almost 100 golfers at my club, some of the higher handicappers getting nearly 10 additional shots course handicap.

Also, Committees are meant to do a review as soon as it goes live. So, they may change something.

This bit is just unbelievable: " If they haven't handed any scores in since, their Index is simply = to Congu handicap" surely it must be a desloped congu handicap so that resloping takes you back to where you are now!

 

[Old Skier]

Emails from EG should now be winging there way to you all now enabling to set up your WHS account. Please read the instructions carefully (unlike my members) to stop you spending time ringing your admin and HC team.

Word of warning, I have been working on it trying to delete members and it is very unstable and the index you see is not the one you will see on 2 Nov due to a number of poorly managed reasons

 

[Imurg]

I'm still trying to get my head around having a handicap based on my scores at a course but now I suddenly have 3 more shots playing at the same course....

 

[Old Skier]

I'm still trying to get my head around having a handicap based on my scores at a course but now I suddenly have 3 more shots playing at the same course....

Best wait until 2 Nov

 

[Swango1980]

This bit is just unbelievable: " If they haven't handed any scores in since, their Index is simply = to Congu handicap" surely it must be a desloped congu handicap so that resloping takes you back to where you are now!

This is what they simply did when they released to Portal to clubs last week. The 3 scores players put in for handicap were not sent to WHS, for whatever reason. WHS have been informed. However, I have yet to hear if they will do anything about it, such as try and get the 3 scorecards. If not, your suggestion of desloping the CONGU handicap to get index would seem sensible. I am praparing to manually enter the 3 scores come November 2nd

 

[ger147]

Looks like Scottish Golf are also asking for email addy, DOB and Gender for WHS purposes, just had an email from my club asking for my consent for the club share this data with them.

 

[jim8flog]

Would "strokes received " be acceptable ?

I cannot see anybody else answering this.

If you mean on the card answer is no

For stroke play the Course Handicap must be on the card.

Stroke play comps - Too high and it is DQ too low and the one you have written applies
R&A Rule 3.3 (4)

Match play - you just have to tell the opponent(s) the correct strokes allowed.

 

[jim8flog]

Not a good idea because of the problem raised in #1281.
But I have seen something from either the R&A or USGA indicating that CH was a must. HI and PH (Strokes r'ced)were options.

In the guidance
G2.1b/1 Handicap On The Scorecard
To avoid a DQ under Rule 3.3b (4) of the Rules of Golf the player must put his/her Course Handicap on the scorecard (see Interpretation 3.3b (4)/1 of the Rules of Golf).

 

[upsidedown]

I cannot see anybody else answering this.

If you mean on the card answer is no

For stroke play the Course Handicap must be on the card.

Stroke play comps - Too high and it is DQ too low and the one you have written applies
R&A Rule 3.3 (4)

Match play - you just have to tell the opponent(s) the correct strokes allowed.

I hear we've gone for HI,CH and strokes rec'd

 

[rulefan]

In the guidance
G2.1b/1 Handicap On The Scorecard
To avoid a DQ under Rule 3.3b (4) of the Rules of Golf the player must put his/her Course Handicap on the scorecard (see Interpretation 3.3b (4)/1 of the Rules of Golf).

 

[IanM]

Funny how none of the past few pretty important items were mentioned on the players’ seminar I attended.

But they mentioned several times how much better and inclusive this make golf!

 

[Kennysarmy]

8.4 now
8.4 if playing a medal off WHS
What was the point in that lol

 

[JollyRedDevil]

Apologies if it's been posted before. A couple of useful sites.

To check your index, just enter your CDH number
https://members.whsplatform.englandgolf.org/signup

To find slope ratings for any course
http://ncrdb.usga.org/