World Handicap System (WHS)

[94tegsi]

I’m assuming that under WHS we have no need for annual reviews or exceptional increases/decreases. We just need everyone to encourage cards being submit more regularly?

 

[Swango1980]

I’m assuming that under WHS we have no need for annual reviews or exceptional increases/decreases. We just need everyone to encourage cards being submit more regularly?

Annual Reviews will still be very much of the process. After all, some players may still play a lot of match play golf, and rarely submit an acceptable score.

There will still be Exceptional Decreases as well, from memory if a player shoots 7-10 under their Handicap Index, they get an extra -1.0, if they shoot even better than that, they get 2.0 extra cut

 

[Ethan]

Annual Reviews will still be very much of the process. After all, some players may still play a lot of match play golf, and rarely submit an acceptable score.

There will still be Exceptional Decreases as well, from memory if a player shoots 7-10 under their Handicap Index, they get an extra -1.0, if they shoot even better than that, they get 2.0 extra cut

This is a more dynamic faster responding handicap system. I don't think the extra cuts are therefore necessary or fit well with that.

 

[Swango1980]

This is a more dynamic faster responding handicap system. I don't think the extra cuts are therefore necessary or fit well with that.

The review may not need to be as rigorous, but it will still need to deal with culprits who avoid posting acceptable rounds, and do well in other formats.

Also, if a player posts 15-20 scores in 2 or 3 months, resulting in their Index going up 5 shots (and course handicap 6 or so shots), a review can result in a safety net for any areas of concern like that

 

[Vikingman]

Staying with the annual review theme, would it be advisable to do this years before or after the switchover?

If this years review is done prior to the switchover will it get taken into account or will the system just use submitted scores?

If its done after how would the adjustment be made, are we going down the line of -1 off each score or whatever?

 

[94tegsi]

Cheers

 

[IanM]

You've had your email?

No , I was kidding...

 

[TheDiablo]

we already have this though in comps, its called the CSS and Visitor CSS. i play plenty of opens and have never felt hard done by or i should get extra shots because the CSS takes care of that. also if im visiting another course for a bounce game i go by the SSS to see if i play to handicap... simples. as for club matches the same, its a challenge to beat someone else on their home course.

on the plus side i'm looking forward to playing off 11 by the 2nd week of April, it will be a shock to my oppo at Dornoch next match

Surely someone has told you by now that you are MASSIVELY wrong on this?

 

[Swango1980]

Guys,

I've looked but can't find the posts, but in one of many WHS threads, there was chat recently that Cat 1s are currently allowed to submit Supplementary scores outside of the normal restrictions (which previously only allowed Supps for the purpose of retaining "C" status). This is relevant to me as I have less than 20 scores in.

Having raised this with my GM, and in turn the County Sec and his colleagues, nobody is aware of any temporary change, so could anyone who thinks there's a rule currently in place please advise on the specifics??

Many thanks in advance ?.

Under WHS, Category 1 means nothing, there are no categories. So, that restriction in regards to supplementary scores (or acceptable scores from social golf) will not apply.

 

[SteveJay]

Guys,

I've looked but can't find the posts, but in one of many WHS threads, there was chat recently that Cat 1s are currently allowed to submit Supplementary scores outside of the normal restrictions (which previously only allowed Supps for the purpose of retaining "C" status). This is relevant to me as I have less than 20 scores in.

Having raised this with my GM, and in turn the County Sec and his colleagues, nobody is aware of any temporary change, so could anyone who thinks there's a rule currently in place please advise on the specifics??

Many thanks in advance ?.

Accepting the comment above about Cat 1 going under WHS, I assume you mean before November. If so at our club we are allowing Cat 1 golfers to submit supplementaries in the same way as the rest of us, until WHS comes in. One of my playing partners is in the same position as you, which is why I know this (as it doesn't affect me ),

 

[patricks148]

Surely someone has told you by now that you are MASSIVELY wrong on this?

which bit??

 

[TheDiablo]

which bit??

The bit that there is no way you can jump from 5 to 11 in a single round

 

[patricks148]

The bit that there is no way you can jump from 5 to 11 in a single round

what will happen then when my 20th score off 73(CSS of 73) is replaced by a score or 6 higher?

 

[jim8flog]

Guys,

I've looked but can't find the posts, but in one of many WHS threads, there was chat recently that Cat 1s are currently allowed to submit Supplementary scores outside of the normal restrictions (which previously only allowed Supps for the purpose of retaining "C" status). This is relevant to me as I have less than 20 scores in.

Having raised this with my GM, and in turn the County Sec and his colleagues, nobody is aware of any temporary change, so could anyone who thinks there's a rule currently in place please advise on the specifics??

Many thanks in advance ?.

From other posts it would be too late now anyway. CONGU scores are already being converted to WHS scores and all scores during next 12 days will be held over.

 

[jim8flog]

what will happen then when my 20th score off 73(CSS of 73) is replaced by a score or 6 higher?

Did you skip arithmetic at skool.

 

[patricks148]

Did you skip arithmetic at skool.

i think its you that missed that, whats 5 plus 6??

 

[Swango1980]

Someone said that from September, last month, current Cat 1s can put in supplementaries until the WHS starts.

Interesting, not a message I have picked up on. Also, I know Club V1 doesn't accept entry of a Cat 1 supplementary score, but not sure if they lift that restriction off season

 

[Swango1980]

what will happen then when my 20th score off 73(CSS of 73) is replaced by a score or 6 higher?

Your index will increase by 0.8 x 113/Slope . So, less than 0.8 most likely

 

[patricks148]

Your index will increase by 0.8

how so? my best score is my 20th and my next best outside the best 8 is 6 over the css, so that score will replace the best, if i'd had another poor score this year my best would not be counted so the average would have been higher.

how do they work that out that its 0.8?

 

[Ethan]

The review may not need to be as rigorous, but it will still need to deal with culprits who avoid posting acceptable rounds, and do well in other formats.

Also, if a player posts 15-20 scores in 2 or 3 months, resulting in their Index going up 5 shots (and course handicap 6 or so shots), a review can result in a safety net for any areas of concern like that

OK, but the WHS equivalent of an ESR is not targeted at people who essentially cheat their handicap. The basic statistics handling of the WHS should avoid the old problem where someone has a low handicap they can't play to anymore but their move to a more suitable handicap is slowed by the 0.1 limit on increases per round. WHS reflects recent play much more strongly.