World Handicap System (WHS)

[jim8flog]

I'm sure you can explain but why not under whs move to a one size fits all approach? Rate the Tees the same for men and ladies .. then let the ladies handicaps adjust in line

So somebody said a 6 handicap is really a 10 would it be a bad thing?

Handicaps can go up to 54 now so a 36 handicap lady would have scope

Tees would be rated for everyone and would get rid of men's Vs ladies .. just players

This is a recommendation from CONGU already

c. Tee Markers
The tee markers used to designate each set of tees on a golf course should be
consistent in name, colour and/or design and distinguishable from the tee
markers used for other sets of tees. It is strongly recommended that the
Authorized Association issues guidance to golf clubs as to how these avoid any
association with gender or age.

Each hole may have multiple teeing areas and, for handicap purposes, a golf course
is made up of a designated set of tees on each hole. As such, each set of tees (or
golf course) should have a separate Course Rating and Slope Rating, including one
for each gender where appropriate.

 

[3offTheTee]

May not have enough info but if anybody could point me in the right direction as to the workings out it would be appreciated.

First medal today. My HI 18.8 Course H 22. playing Handicap 21 95% slope 133 at our course.

I have a 92 to come off being my 20th score. I had a nett 76 today but a 6 on stroke index 4 (22 for handicap purposes). The last hole I had a 9 it is SI 9 which I assume will be a 7.

I do NOT understand Nett differential but would my 76 come down to 73 ( 2 at last hole plus 1 on SI 4) Di I then add 73 plus playing handicap 21 to equal 94?

That is all I understand and any help would be appreciated

 

[HampshireHog]

Haven’t had comp under WHS but I believe the primary factors of calculating your differential are Adj Score, Course Rating, PCC and witchcraft.

 

[Old Skier]

May not have enough info but if anybody could point me in the right direction as to the workings out it would be appreciated.

First medal today. My HI 18.8 Course H 22. playing Handicap 21 95% slope 133 at our course.

I have a 92 to come off being my 20th score. I had a nett 76 today but a 6 on stroke index 4 (22 for handicap purposes). The last hole I had a 9 it is SI 9 which I assume will be a 7.

I do NOT understand Nett differential but would my 76 come down to 73 ( 2 at last hole plus 1 on SI 4) Di I then add 73 plus playing handicap 21 to equal 94?

That is all I understand and any help would be appreciated

Put your feet up, have a glass of wine and enjoy a movie. Your new HC Index will appear on your app in the morning. Enjoy.

 

[3offTheTee]

Put your feet up, have a glass of wine and enjoy a movie. Your new HC Index will appear on your app in the morning. Enjoy.

I realise that it is sorted overnight. All I wanted was does anybody know how it is calculated. At my age it is irrelevant so I am not worried.

 

[Old Skier]

I realise that it is sorted overnight. All I wanted was does anybody know how it is calculated. At my age it is irrelevant so I am not worried.

All info supplied here https://www.englandgolf.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Rules-of-Handicapping-17-12-20.pdf

 

[mikejohnchapman]

When the pre WHS ratings were started EG gave all clubs that opportunity. I suspect that many (ie most) clubs didn't bother to tell/ask their members.

Hmmm.... I suspect the conversation was more like "which tees do the men play from and which do the Ladies play from". The topic of gender neutral tees only came up very late in the cycle and there is now a backlog for additional tees to be assessed.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

No they didn’t or at least the raters didn’t, stating they were to busy and had to get the “normal” tees completed first. i continue to ask for our reds and yellows to be mixed gender rated to no avail.

Same here - our request for additional tees has been "added to the list".

 

[jim8flog]

May not have enough info but if anybody could point me in the right direction as to the workings out it would be appreciated.

First medal today. My HI 18.8 Course H 22. playing Handicap 21 95% slope 133 at our course.

I have a 92 to come off being my 20th score. I had a nett 76 today but a 6 on stroke index 4 (22 for handicap purposes). The last hole I had a 9 it is SI 9 which I assume will be a 7.

I do NOT understand Nett differential but would my 76 come down to 73 ( 2 at last hole plus 1 on SI 4) Di I then add 73 plus playing handicap 21 to equal 94?

That is all I understand and any help would be appreciated

I realise that it is sorted overnight. All I wanted was does anybody know how it is calculated. At my age it is irrelevant so I am not worried.

When you check your H.I tomorrow you can see the card and it is obvious how scores are adjusted.

If you want to work it out for yourself anything worse than nett double bogey is converted to that ie the the lowest score at which you would get zero points.


Score Differential = (113 ÷Slope Rating) x (adjusted gross score – Course Rating – PCC adjustment)

You cannot know precisely for yourself because you do not know the PCC (Playing conditions calculation)

 

[Foxholer]

When the pre WHS ratings were started EG gave all clubs that opportunity.....

Probably in very fine print/in amongst a huge amount of huge amount of other 'info'!
It's only now that loads of 'other' situations are emerging - but that's how the likes of golf clubs work (at least imo). Given a few months, many - if not all - these 'anomolies' should be addressed, but there's no way EG should consider the conversion to WHS 'done' until all such issues have been resolved.
To me, Ladies off Men's tees and Men of Ladies Tees is a significant 'gap'!

 

[rulefan]

Probably in very fine print/in amongst a huge amount of huge amount of other 'info'!
It's only now that loads of 'other' situations are emerging - but that's how the likes of golf clubs work (at least imo). Given a few months, many - if not all - these 'anomolies' should be addressed, but there's no way EG should consider the conversion to WHS 'done' until all such issues have been resolved.
To me, Ladies off Men's tees and Men of Ladies Tees is a significant 'gap'!

There wasn't a huge amount of other 'info' at the time, the rerating exercise started in 2014/2015

 

[Foxholer]

There wasn't a huge amount of other 'info' at the time, the rerating exercise started in 2014/2015

So an equivalent issue then! 'Not enough info' and 'Too much info' both cause 'gaps' that require action/generate frustration, though not necessarily 'general' enough that authorities - at whatever level and who have limited resources - can be easily convinced to address them.

 

[rulefan]

So an equivalent issue then! 'Not enough info' and 'Too much info' both cause 'gaps' that require action/generate frustration, though not necessarily 'general' enough that authorities - at whatever level and who have limited resources - can be easily convinced to address them.

Not sure that the 'authorities' had a lot of options. Just a significant shortage of volunteers from members.

 

[Crazyface]

I've got a score awaiting "attestation" but my mate hasn't had the message to do it. Could have been a cock up by me or him to be honest. I've e mailed EG to see if they can help.

 

[Foxholer]

Not sure that the 'authorities' had a lot of options. Just a significant shortage of volunteers from members.

There wasn't a huge amount of other 'info' at the time, the rerating exercise started in 2014/2015

Something that should have been pretty obvious - at least given the 5 or 6 year 'rerating period'!
I'm not overly criticising 'the authorities' btw. Simply noting (though I'm not particularly surprised) that a significant number of glitches with the 'new' seem to have arisen after implementation. As I posted, the lack of 'complete' ratings is my only gripe - and (currently) a minor one at that.

 

[jim8flog]

I've got a score awaiting "attestation" but my mate hasn't had the message to do it. Could have been a cock up by me or him to be honest. I've e mailed EG to see if they can help.

See Nick's reply to my query in the Experts forum

 

[hairball_89]

Something that should have been pretty obvious - at least given the 5 or 6 year 'rerating period'!
I'm not overly criticising 'the authorities' btw. Simply noting (though I'm not particularly surprised) that a significant number of glitches with the 'new' seem to have arisen after implementation. As I posted, the lack of 'complete' ratings is my only gripe - and (currently) a minor one at that.

Not only "complete" ratings. But I played a course on Friday (Seaford Head) which has still not been rated at all on white or yellows. Scorecard still using SSS and no mention of CR and slope anywhere in clubhouse or tee!

 

[rulefan]

Not only "complete" ratings. But I played a course on Friday (Seaford Head) which has still not been rated at all on white or yellows. Scorecard still using SSS and no mention of CR and slope anywhere in clubhouse or tee!

The red tees have been rated but they could have been done well before WHS was thought of and given that it is a council course I suspect the usual jobsworth hasn't even thought about it.

 

[Foxholer]

The red tees have been rated but they could have been done well before WHS was thought of and given that it is a council course I suspect the usual jobsworth hasn't even thought about it.

As it's a Congfu registered course, I'd challenge your suspicions!! Perhaps a 'communication issue' somewhere, but it's Congu's responsibility to 'tick the appropriate boxes' imo!
FWIW..https://www.randa.org/courseteeinfo...&ClubName=Seaford Head&ClubCity=&ClubCounty=0

 

[Old Skier]

As it's a Congfu registered course, I'd challenge your suspicions!!

Ladies (red) courses were rated differently than Men’s (yellow blue) and their rating was similar to that of USA/Aus model.