World Handicap System (WHS)

[doublebogey7]

The one big floor to going straight from Hi to PH, is that the CH must be on the scorecard for all forms of strokeplay Competition.

 

[Voyager EMH]

They look at their Course Handicap on the big board that is hopefully now displayed and either use 95% or 100%.

If they don't understand that it must have been extremely poorly communicated by the club.

Dare I say over-complicated and not explained in plain English...?

It was poorly communicated. Casting my mind back to November, I remember a long conversation with a member who struggled with the fact that his HI of 8.3 meant he would play off 10 in medals and stablefords. Many others think 95% is unfair because low handicappers aren't "losing a shot like the rest of us". That is where the table of HI to PH was useful. I do not recommend it for general use, but it was, and is, a useful learning tool. It will take two full summers for most to get used to the new reality - in my view. The original part of this thread was "relevance" of Course Handicap. I hold the view that Course Handicap is relevant when returning scores for handicap adjustment. At all times, when playing with and against others and not returning scores for handicap adjustment, Playing Handicap is "relevant" and Course Handicap is a step in the calculation, but then not relevant as you tee off - you only need your Playing Handicap on the course and in your mind when not returning scores.

 

[ger147]

It was poorly communicated. Casting my mind back to November, I remember a long conversation with a member who struggled with the fact that his HI of 8.3 meant he would play off 10 in medals and stablefords. Many others think 95% is unfair because low handicappers aren't "losing a shot like the rest of us". That is where the table of HI to PH was useful. I do not recommend it for general use, but it was, and is, a useful learning tool. It will take two full summers for most to get used to the new reality - in my view. The original part of this thread was "relevance" of Course Handicap. I hold the view that Course Handicap is relevant when returning scores for handicap adjustment. At all times, when playing with and against others and not returning scores for handicap adjustment, Playing Handicap is "relevant" and Course Handicap is a step in the calculation, but then not relevant as you tee off - you only need your Playing Handicap on the course and in your mind when not returning scores.

The big failing of your spreadsheet can be best illustrated by your use of the term "playing against others". The percentage you use to determine your playing handicap isn't always 95%, it depends on the format being played as you can see from the table of the various handicap allowances table I posted earlier in the thread.

So in my view, you are making things worse by making it look like people have a fixed playing handicap that they can look up before they head out to play as they do not, it depends on the format being played, so it would be best for them to get familiar with that as that is not a new concept, it was also used in the old pre-WHS world.

 

[rulefan]

Remember, if playing stableford and your playing handicap is not the same as your course handicap (ie lower), do not pick up to soon if you think you have run out of shots on the hole.

 

[Voyager EMH]

The big failing of your spreadsheet can be best illustrated by your use of the term "playing against others". The percentage you use to determine your playing handicap isn't always 95%, it depends on the format being played as you can see from the table of the various handicap allowances table I posted earlier in the thread.

So in my view, you are making things worse by making it look like people have a fixed playing handicap that they can look up before they head out to play as they do not, it depends on the format being played, so it would be best for them to get familiar with that as that is not a new concept, it was also used in the old pre-WHS world.

You are spot on correct. The table I attached is for medals and stablefords only as it says at the top of the column. No use for anything else. But it was needed in November for members to get a picture of individual strokeplay handicaps. Everyone is slowly getting to know all other allowances, but some are still struggling with the 95% concept after 4 and a half months. It is going to be a long slow learning process for some.

 

[SammmeBee]

You are spot on correct. The table I attached is for medals and stablefords only as it says at the top of the column. No use for anything else. But it was needed in November for members to get a picture of individual strokeplay handicaps. Everyone is slowly getting to know all other allowances, but some are still struggling with the 95% concept after 4 and a half months. It is going to be a long slow learning process for some.

Or just the process for you.....

 

[ger147]

You are spot on correct. The table I attached is for medals and stablefords only as it says at the top of the column. No use for anything else. But it was needed in November for members to get a picture of individual strokeplay handicaps. Everyone is slowly getting to know all other allowances, but some are still struggling with the 95% concept after 4 and a half months. It is going to be a long slow learning process for some.

I honestly can't fathom why it was required if there are charts printed with Course handicaps printed on them to look up for your given Handicap Index and the fact that handicap allowances are not a new concept when it comes to how many shots you get when actually playing golf, but I'm not a member of your club and don't know the golfers you were talking to so will leave it there.

 

[rulefan]

You are spot on correct. The table I attached is for medals and stablefords only as it says at the top of the column. No use for anything else. But it was needed in November for members to get a picture of individual strokeplay handicaps. Everyone is slowly getting to know all other allowances, but some are still struggling with the 95% concept after 4 and a half months. It is going to be a long slow learning process for some.

The 95% came about as a result of stats (primarily but not exclusively, from the USA and Australia) showing that there was a stroke play bias in favour of higher handicap players.
Pre WHS those countries had a built-in adjustment of 96% and 93% for strokeplay and matchplay. It was called 'Bonus for Excellence'. Unfortunately, the bias was shown to be the other way round in matchplay. So the WHS only applies the adjustment to strokeplay.

 

[jim8flog]

Yes it does. The ranges would be different if it were 100% CH

So that chart is only of use where you play or if another club happens to have the same slope rating. It certainly does not match where I play.

If you were to put it up on display it do you not think it would confuse players from your course who are at another course where the boards show H.I to Course Handicap (the standard board that will be at the majority of clubs).

 

[Voyager EMH]

So that chart is only of use where you play or if another club happens to have the same slope rating. It certainly does not match where I play.

If you were to put it up on display it do you not think it would confuse players from your course who are at another course where the boards show H.I to Course Handicap (the standard board that will be at the majority of clubs).

I agree. That is why I said I won't be bothered to put it on display. It could confuse some. I put it on this thread to show it CAN or COULD be just as simple to find out one's Playing Handicap directly from HI as it is for your Course Handicap. I was asked by a member in November, "So, if I can read my Course Handicap from a Table, why can't I just read my (individual strokeplay) Playing Handicap from a table?" A reasonable request, so I showed him what such a table would look like. I was not trying to change the world, merely responding to what was said to me. Much like I do here. I found it interesting to see just how many decimal places my HI would have to change for me to enter another band. I made another table with SR of 127 as that is our yellow tee course. Factual information can not do harm or be misleading, in my view. It is up to the individual to learn what they need to learn or choose to learn what they find interesting. Some can't be bothered to learn- that is what I have learned about the new handicap system. On this forum, many seem interested in finding fault with others' level of knowledge. I enjoy the exchange of views mainly. If comments are addressed to me then I am likely to respond. I try to avoid discourtesy and impropriety, which sometimes happens all too easily on social media.

 

[3offTheTee]

Remember, if playing stableford and your playing handicap is not the same as your course handicap (ie lower), do not pick up to soon if you think you have run out of shots on the hole.

Could you just clarify in my case or explain in general please.

HI 18.4 course Handicap 22 Playing Hndicap Stableford 21 shots. Am I affected please?

 

[SammmeBee]

Could you just clarify in my case or explain in general please.

HI 18.4 course Handicap 22 Playing Hndicap Stableford 21 shots. Am I affected please?

Yes - be careful on SI 4.......

 

[3offTheTee]

Yes - be careful on SI 4.......

What you are saying SB is for handicap/WHS best 8 scores I will get 2 shots on SI 4 but not in The Comp?

 

[fenwayrich]

I know that our roll up won't be bothering to put scores in for handicap, and I'm equally confident that we won't be messing around with the 95% malarkey either.

 

[rulefan]

I know that our roll up won't be bothering to put scores in for handicap, and I'm equally confident that we won't be messing around with the 95% malarkey either.

Except for those who would get an extra shot ?

 

[D-S]

I know that our roll up won't be bothering to put scores in for handicap, and I'm equally confident that we won't be messing around with the 95% malarkey either.

What’s the point of using just some of WHS and not all of it I.e. going to the bother of finding out your course h/c and not converting to playing h/c? Would you just use course h/c for all formats? What did you do in the old days when it was 3/4 for individual matchplay - just not bother with that ‘malarkey?

 

[jim8flog]

Could you just clarify in my case or explain in general please.

HI 18.4 course Handicap 22 Playing Hndicap Stableford 21 shots. Am I affected please?

On stroke index 4 when playing in a stableford comp if you pick your ball up after playing par plus 3 shots you will be picking up too early for your handicap. You should pick up after playing par plus 4 shots. You will still score nil points for the comp but the score will be recorded for your handicap differently if you
pick up at par plus 3 than if you putt out for par plus 3.

 

[Green Man]

What’s the point of using just some of WHS and not all of it I.e. going to the bother of finding out your course h/c and not converting to playing h/c? Would you just use course h/c for all formats? What did you do in the old days when it was 3/4 for individual matchplay - just not bother with that ‘malarkey?

I had this argument with the pro in our shop before Xmas. They were running a pro roll up. Pay to enter the Comp then play.
When I asked what was the handicap allowance he said Course Handicap.
I said do you mean Playing handicap? No course handicap as it’s only a bit of fun.

Not much fun for me mate when all the mid / high handicappers are getting more shots that they should.

 

[USER1999]

I know that our roll up won't be bothering to put scores in for handicap, and I'm equally confident that we won't be messing around with the 95% malarkey either.

Had a word with the guy who runs our Saturday roll up, same, full allowance. It's just way too much hassle otherwise.

 

[sweaty sock]

So we've not even started using it yet, and already it's being applied differently across different groups.

Bravo, bravo.