World Handicap System (WHS)

[3offTheTee]

No you're overthinking and going off on a tangent.

See posts above, you all take 90% of your course hcap and use the difference for the strokes. Irrelevant if it's friendly or official competition.

Thanks Tram. initially I thought as you said but appreciate your help

 

[rulefan]

RF
Are you saying for Match Play you therefore play Course Handicap?

if so what else should we play Course handicap please nd where may I find the info. pleas?

See Rule 6 and Appendix C.

 

[rulefan]

Why it's changed, I have no idea.

It's all to do with more recent stats and the bias towards higher caps in stroke play.

 

[doublebogey7]

But match play is not an authorised format for handicap purposes so playing handicap is irrelevant.

Confused by this, surely all forms of play are subject to a playing handicap calculation, all be in singles Matchplay playing handicap equals course handicap.

 

[jim8flog]

Confused by this, surely all forms of play are subject to a playing handicap calculation, all be in singles Matchplay playing handicap equals course handicap.

Not all. See the list Tram posted.

 

[rulefan]

all be in singles Matchplay playing handicap equals course handicap.

Which is why it is irrelevant

 

[Voyager EMH]

But match play is not an authorised format for handicap purposes so playing handicap is irrelevant.

Is this not the wrong way round? In matchplay you are not returning scores for Handicap Index adjustment so Course Handicap is irrelevant, but all players must calculate their correct Playing Handicap for the format of play.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Match play -
In a 4 Ball Better Ball match play each player checks their

Handicap Index , converts this to their Course Handicap then converts this to their Playing Handicap (90% of Course Handicap).

Each player, as appropriate, gets the difference between their Playing Handicap and the player with lowest Playing Handicap.

In Singles match play Playing Handicap = Course Handicap

The highest handicapped player gets 100% of the difference between their Playing Handicaps.

What you do in rollups is up to the organiser of the rollup assuming it is not a club organised one. We leave it as course handicap for easiness.

You might think it is easier, but it is wrong to ignore allowances in roll-ups. All players should play off the correct playing handicap for the format of play. From the Rules of Handicapping...“A player is expected to act with integrity by following the rules of handicapping and to refrain from using, or circumventing, the rules of handicapping for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage.” Higher handicap players will have gained an unfair advantage if the 95% allowance for individual strokeplay is not applied. I think it is easier to play to the rules of handicapping rather than invent my own unfair rules or play to someone else's unfair rules.

 

[fenwayrich]

In November, I tried to explain the new 4ball Matchplay handicap system to lads in my roll up. I got very short shrift, they'll just carry on as normal. The least interested chap plays off 1 and would actually benefit in some circumstances. The education process could be a long one.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

In November, I tried to explain the new 4ball Matchplay handicap system to lads in my roll up. I got very short shrift, they'll just carry on as normal. The least interested chap plays off 1 and would actually benefit in some circumstances. The education process could be a long one.

It's a struggle at times - I still frequently get called in to settle disputes on rules that were changed years ago!

 

[doublebogey7]

Which is why it is irrelevant

Except you only referred to match play, in 4 ball match play there is a playing handicap calculation, and it is irrelevant whether a competition is authorised or not, playing handicap calculations are mandatory in all cases.

 

[Crazyface]

THe simple thing to do in comps is ask how it is to be applied relevent to your H/C, do what is said, go and play. Well, that's what I'm gonna do.

 

[jim8flog]

You might think it is easier, but it is wrong to ignore allowances in roll-ups. All players should play off the correct playing handicap for the format of play. From the Rules of Handicapping...“A player is expected to act with integrity by following the rules of handicapping and to refrain from using, or circumventing, the rules of handicapping for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage.” Higher handicap players will have gained an unfair advantage if the 95% allowance for individual strokeplay is not applied. I think it is easier to play to the rules of handicapping rather than invent my own unfair rules or play to someone else's unfair rules.

The rollups I play in are very democratic affairs and such decisions are voted on by all. One particular group I play with are confused by it all anyway

 

[fenwayrich]

Another aspect that I find slightly bizarre is the effect of the 95% allowance in singles strokeplay. My club has a slope of 133 off the whites. This means that everyone with a handicap index between 8.1 and 9.7 will have a playing handicap of 10 in competitions.

 

[rosecott]

Is this not the wrong way round? In matchplay you are not returning scores for Handicap Index adjustment so Course Handicap is irrelevant, but all players must calculate their correct Playing Handicap for the format of play.

I am struggling to think of any format where Course Handicap is irrelevant.

 

[Voyager EMH]

I am struggling to think of any format where Course Handicap is irrelevant.

Course Handicap is relevant when returning scores for handicap assessment and adjustment.
Playing Handicap is relevant when playing with and against others
If not returning a score for handicap adjustment when playing with and against others, then Course Handicap is irrelevant and all players play off the correct Playing Handicap for the format of play.

 

[fenwayrich]

Course Handicap is relevant when returning scores for handicap assessment and adjustment.
Playing Handicap is relevant when playing with and against others
If not returning a score for handicap adjustment when playing with and against others, then Course Handicap is irrelevant and all players play off the correct Playing Handicap for the format of play.

Surely course handicap remains relevant because without knowing what it is, you cannot work out playing handicap.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Another aspect that I find slightly bizarre is the effect of the 95% allowance in singles strokeplay. My club has a slope of 133 off the whites. This means that everyone with a handicap index between 8.1 and 9.7 will have a playing handicap of 10 in competitions.

Similar where I am with a slope of 132. Scotland Golf system is better, in my view, where Course Handicap is not rounded, 95% applied then rounded to give Playing Handicap. Then the big "lump" of players off 10 does not occur. Shame we are stuck with the England Golf system.

 

[Voyager EMH]

I think the point he is making is that you need to use the course handicap to arrive at the playing handicap, hence the CH is not actually irrelevant, as such.

Individual strokeplay Playing Handicap = (HI x slope/113) rounded then 95%. Thus stopping halfway through the calculation to take note of your Course Handicap when you are not returning a score for handicap adjustment is pointless/irrelevant. You "need" a Handicap Index to start the calculation, but you don't "need" your Course Handicap if you are not returning a score for handicap assessment and adjustment. You do "need" your correct Playing Handicap when playing with and against others.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Golfer arrives at golf course.

Do they either:

1. Take 95% of their Course Handicap that is either available on the big board they will walk past, or

2. Get a calculator out, do a calculation to find out what "HI x slope/113" is, then multiply that by 0.95?

Either way, the result of HI x slope/113 is the Course Handicap, so to call that "irrelevant" is just incorrect. It is very relevant, as whether you look at the board or use your handy calculator, you are ALWAYS using the CH to arrive at the PH.

Once you tee off, however you have arrived at or calculated your correct Playing Handicap, (looking at boards, using a calculator or your brain), your Course Handicap is irrelevant if you are not returning a score for handicap adjustment.