World Handicap System (WHS)

[Swango1980]

How does this work ATM

Do you hand in the card at your home course or at the course played

Who has to mark it? A member or anyone

Some handicap secs could be getting a lot of extra work to do, with members returning away scores.

And, I wonder if there will be any evidence to a handicap sec that a player has pre-registered at an away course.

 

[rosecott]

Traminator, I refer to jim8flog's post.
Yes, I DO know of people who have been put off wanting to play in competitions, they just want to play non competitive golf.
I actually wish to continue, and hope things settle down. However, I don't want to trawl through the 104 pages in order to back up my argument, but there have been numerous posts from forum members who are less than impressed, and find it all unecessary.
It's when you hear of a 54 handicapper who is going to play off 60+ that I become somewhat flustered.
The theory that a 12 handicapper may not be a 12 handicapper at another course doesn't really wash with me, but "hey ho", it's here now.
I wonder if we will be discussing this in a year's time when (in theory, and here's hoping) things have settled down.

The aforementioned 12 handicapper playing at another course will be receiving the same shots as any other 12 handicapper - Home or Away player.

 

[MrGrumtastic]

But seriously, who goes for a casual game at an away course and puts in a supplementary???

Has anyone actually ever done that?

"Oh yeah, having a great awayday out with the lads.. I know, I'll declare I'm putting in a card..."

I fully intend to do that. As a player who is relatively new to a club, I only have a few scores in so far. I want to get in as many scores as possible in the short term to build a more representative HI. I often play away with a friend at his local course, so would be a good opportunity to add some scores.

 

[Junior]

1...?

I'm with you. I won't be doing it as I play enough competition golf at my home club. However, i read that this is the way the new system is supposed to work. The more cards you put in, the more accurate your handicap ?

If you play a lot more golf away from your home course, then it may make a lot more sense to do so.

 

[Swango1980]

But seriously, who goes for a casual game at an away course and puts in a supplementary???

Has anyone actually ever done that?

"Oh yeah, having a great awayday out with the lads.. I know, I'll declare I'm putting in a card..."

4 of us tried to just before lockdown, but the away pro didn't know the procedure so we didn't bother.

A lot of people play courses away from their home course, and I wouldn't be surprised if a reasonable number want their scores to count towards handicap. Especially those who don't play many club competitions.

 

[Swango1980]

Did you just try because you wanted to test the new system?

In reality it will be a tiny number even thinking about doing this, normally an awayday is just a bit of fun if it's not a comp.

We just thought if we are playing golf, why not make it count. 3 of the guys would definitely hand them in every time, and they play quite a few away courses during the week.

At our Captains away weekend 3 years ago, all 24 people handed in their cards for both rounds, which was agreed before starting. 48 scores. Now, looking back they shouldn't have been, as no one was a member of the course. But, now that restriction is gone, I have no doubt everyone will hand in card again. It effectively becomes an away course qualifier / acceptable round

Also 2 guys who are always keen to hand in away cards as they play armed forces society days. And I'm sure lots of society golfers might be keen to hand in scores in future. My worry is they are pressured to do so after a good score, and home club handicap sec has no way of checking they pre registered at away course (which in this example they didn't)

 

[Deleted member 15717]

But seriously, who goes for a casual game at an away course and puts in a supplementary???

Has anyone actually ever done that?

"Oh yeah, having a great awayday out with the lads.. I know, I'll declare I'm putting in a card..."

100%. why wouldn’t you? aren’t you always trying to shoot your best score?

I’m going to Pinehurst next year, abd definitely will be looking to put a card or two in when over there

 

[mikejohnchapman]

But seriously, who goes for a casual game at an away course and puts in a supplementary???

Has anyone actually ever done that?

"Oh yeah, having a great awayday out with the lads.. I know, I'll declare I'm putting in a card..."

I think it's a different way of doing things.

If I believe my friends from Australia and the USA it's the norm to return a card when playing - we are just used to the now redundant qualifier rule. I'm sure over time people will be more used to putting in a card when they play.

 

[IanM]

Played a 2 man scramble yesterday.

The allowance %s are clearly the random ramblings of a mad person. I think it'll be Thursday or Friday before the result is posted

 

[Wilson]

But seriously, who goes for a casual game at an away course and puts in a supplementary???

Has anyone actually ever done that?

"Oh yeah, having a great awayday out with the lads.. I know, I'll declare I'm putting in a card..."

I’ll be doing it Saturday, a few of my mates are spread around the country, add in the fact I can’t always play in the comps, and I’ll be doing it when I can.

 

[PJ87]

We just thought if we are playing golf, why not make it count. 3 of the guys would definitely hand them in every time, and they play quite a few away courses during the week.

At our Captains away weekend 3 years ago, all 24 people handed in their cards for both rounds, which was agreed before starting. 48 scores. Now, looking back they shouldn't have been, as no one was a member of the course. But, now that restriction is gone, I have no doubt everyone will hand in card again. It effectively becomes an away course qualifier / acceptable round

Also 2 guys who are always keen to hand in away cards as they play armed forces society days. And I'm sure lots of society golfers might be keen to hand in scores in future. My worry is they are pressured to do so after a good score, and home club handicap sec has no way of checking they pre registered at away course (which in this example they didn't)

I'd hand in cards other courses on my society days was the idea ..so my handicap can improve or not whilst playing with those guys

 

[IanM]

I'd hand in cards other courses on my society days was the idea ..so my handicap can improve or not whilst playing with those guys

I've done that with good cards from a society day ... which is a competition of sorts..

...but wouldn't even think of it when out for a social game. (I know its a shock to the Rules dudes, but some games happen without cards and pencils and even serious scoring)

 

[PJ87]

I've done that with good cards from a society day ... which is a competition of sorts..

...but wouldn't even think of it when out for a social game. (I know its a shock to the Rules dudes, but some games happen without cards and pencils and even serious scoring)

I want to start handing every round from my club , me and my mate try and play 3 times a month so want to put them in plus comps

I'd be tempted when playing away cuz why not don't hurt but like you say some don't even use a card

 

[Swango1980]

I've done that with good cards from a society day ... which is a competition of sorts..

...but wouldn't even think of it when out for a social game. (I know its a shock to the Rules dudes, but some games happen without cards and pencils and even serious scoring)

The term Casual Round is just an unfortunate term used in WHS and adopted at the moment by Club V1/ howdidido. The proper wording used by Club V1 should be General Play.

"I've done that with good cards from a society day". I'll not elaborate, but controversial. I wonder how your handicap sec checked for pre registration?

 

[rulefan]

The term Casual Round is just an unfortunate term used in WHS and adopted at the moment by Club V1/ howdidido. The proper wording used by Club V1 should be General Play.

"I've done that with good cards from a society day". I'll not elaborate, but controversial. I wonder how your handicap sec checked for pre registration?

Yes. The official Rules of Handicapping specifies General Play. The word 'casual' is not in the book.

 

[Swango1980]

Yes. The official Rules of Handicapping specifies General Play. The word 'casual' is not in the book.

Not quite correct.

General Play is the main heading we should refer to. But, the definition of "General Play" states "A casual round". So, they have used Casual in the Manual, however I'm unsure why Club V1 have decided to use this term rather than simply General Play. Also, the use of the word Casual when defining General Play in the manual is, perhaps, not the greatest term to use.

 

[IanM]

...I use the terms "casual, social, fun, mess about, a quick 9 after work" as they appear in the Oxford English Dictionary!

"I've done that with good cards from a society day". I'll not elaborate, but controversial. I wonder how your handicap sec checked for pre registration?

No offense taken, but this was just general remark "Pre-WHS" He didn't check for "pre-registration." There was no preregistration! (did it exist?) Just me being "old school" and "doing the decent thing if I beat my handicap on a Soc Day. That was always considered the thing to do where I learned to play...if you beat your handicap in a "comp" - you handed it in. This included Society Days, but not a social round with your mates.
Similarly, if you played in an Open, there was no pre-reg, but some clubs sent the cards back to home clubs for recording.

 

[jim8flog]

...I use the terms "casual, social, fun, mess about, a quick 9 after work" as they appear in the Oxford English Dictionary!



No offense taken, but this was just general remark "Pre-WHS" He didn't check for "pre-registration." There was no preregistration! (did it exist?) Just me being "old school" and "doing the decent thing if I beat my handicap on a Soc Day. That was always considered the thing to do where I learned to play...if you beat your handicap in a "comp" - you handed it in. This included Society Days, but not a social round with your mates.
Similarly, if you played in an Open, there was no pre-reg, but some clubs sent the cards back to home clubs for recording.

Prior to the WHS

Rounds acceptable for handicap purposes had to be singles rounds in an organised competition home or away. Clubs running opens would have uploaded to scores the other clubs via the CDH if they did not then you were required to notify your club of the score , good or bad.

or

A Supplementary Score at you home club and your club should have had a system in place for registering your intent to play one (as they will have to now).

Your club should not have been accepting score cards from Society days.

 

[Swango1980]

...I use the terms "casual, social, fun, mess about, a quick 9 after work" as they appear in the Oxford English Dictionary!



No offense taken, but this was just general remark "Pre-WHS" He didn't check for "pre-registration." There was no preregistration! (did it exist?) Just me being "old school" and "doing the decent thing if I beat my handicap on a Soc Day. That was always considered the thing to do where I learned to play...if you beat your handicap in a "comp" - you handed it in. This included Society Days, but not a social round with your mates.
Similarly, if you played in an Open, there was no pre-reg, but some clubs sent the cards back to home clubs for recording.

Your club was very much mistaken. If a general round was to be acceptable for handicapping, it had to be pre-registered, so that the round counted no matter how well or badly the player played. Otherwise golfers could simply only hand in their good rounds, and get a handicap much lower than is appropriate.

I appreciate that this may not seem an issue to some. The problem with it, however, is that these players would then less likely make buffer in competitions, impact the CSS calculation and impact on everybody's handicap in the competition. The integrity of the handicapping system then fails, and in extreme circumstances remarkably so. There is one local club, where quite a few of the regulars meet up on a non-competition day to play a casual roll up. Any time anybody had a good score, they were told they must hand in the card (by the club officials). Therefore, most of the players who play competitions had ridiculously low handicaps (one guy left us, after playing off 15-17 for years. In 2 years of being there, he was off 9). Their competitions started getting more and more competitions with CSS being +1, +2, +3 and even +3 (with reductions only) much more often than one would expect, and had an impact on everybody.

Very extreme example, let us say that a club simply decided to give everybody a handicap of scratch, with the assumption that handicaps would increase to their natural level. Under the old system, every competition would be CSS=+3 (reductions only), and every player would stay off scratch for life.

 

[IanM]

I'll tell the Sec to go and stand in the corner.

At least we now have this more clearly defined so you can go in the pro-shop and ask to pre-register and have the assistant look at you blankly and say "eh?"