Women's World Cup

[Blue in Munich]

Not a pen for me, and not a good one either.

That wasn't a penalty, it was a back pass.

 

[NWJocko]

I enjoyed watching the game tbh, England were pretty poor in all areas unfortunately for them.

Re the comments about slow/poor technique etc, in relation to what? Mens football? What do you expect? Tennis and other sports are exactly the same.

I haven't watched that much but my daughter has and is absolutely hooked, now started playing football whereas previously had no interest in it.

Attracting middle aged men from a golf forum isn't really the point or aim of the governing bodies, I've been impressed with the coverage from the BBC and also the size of the crowds in France show it is growing as a sport. I'd sooner applaud that than piss on their chips tbh.

 

[Papas1982]

I enjoyed watching the game tbh, England were pretty poor in all areas unfortunately for them.

Re the comments about slow/poor technique etc, in relation to what? Mens football? What do you expect? Tennis and other sports are exactly the same.

I haven't watched that much but my daughter has and is absolutely hooked, now started playing football whereas previously had no interest in it.

Attracting middle aged men from a golf forum isn't really the point or aim of the governing bodies, I've been impressed with the coverage from the BBC and also the size of the crowds in France show it is growing as a sport. I'd sooner applaud that than piss on their chips tbh.

I think it’s certainly got its place now. Will be interesting to see how much main channel coverage is given to the other women’s events during the change the game event summer. Football in general is a popular sport and will get good audiences (when free). Not sure netball will, no matter what campaign they put behind it.

 

[pendodave]

From the female televised support I've watched, I would rank golf>tennis>football as a satisfying spectacle compared to their male equivalent.. Sadly, the coverage over the next few years is unlikely to be in that order!

 

[Blue in Munich]

That was standard women’s football. I’ve read so much about how good it is and that it must be sexist to say otherwise but the truth is that it’s very slow, they lack skills that’s teenage boys have and that’s proven by the way women’s teams get routinely beaten by any male teams they play.

Mrs. BiM has a season ticket with me and she says she finds the women's game pedestrian in comparison. In fact in most instances, she prefers watching the mens version of the game; rugby, tennis or boxing. The only ones she doesn't particularly lean towards the mens events would be athletics or some Olympic events.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I totally get your point, but it is also a system that has so much potential to remove the influence that the diving wingers have on the game these days and for that reason alone I'm prepared to give it a run and see if we can't sort out the issues that you point out (spontaneous joy excluded, obviously).

P.S. It so was a penalty.

I refer the Right Honourable Gentleman to the "clear and obvious" line 😉

Having to see 4 different angles and zoomed in to 4000000pixels to prove there was contact etc is pathetic.

Only way to stop diving is sending players off. no warnings,no yellows. straight reds.

 

[NWJocko]

Mrs. BiM has a season ticket with me and she says she finds the women's game pedestrian in comparison. In fact in most instances, she prefers watching the mens version of the game; rugby, tennis or boxing. The only ones she doesn't particularly lean towards the mens events would be athletics or some Olympic events.

From the female televised support I've watched, I would rank golf>tennis>football as a satisfying spectacle compared to their male equivalent.. Sadly, the coverage over the next few years is unlikely to be in that order!

This is pretty much the point, why the continual comparison against the mens games (in any sport)? In most instances where men have a physical advantage it is going to be "better" in standard or to watch, try to enjoy it for what it is and lose the blinkers, makes watching it more enjoyable in my experience.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I refer the Right Honourable Gentleman to the "clear and obvious" line 😉

Having to see 4 different angles and zoomed in to 4000000pixels to prove there was contact etc is pathetic.

Only way to stop diving is sending players off. no warnings,no yellows. straight reds.

And that's the problem with the clear and obvious line Stu; how many times have you been at a game and called something that the referee has missed and been proved right later by TV; and how many times have you missed something, abused the referee's parentage and then been proved wrong later by TV? One man's clear and obvious is another man's hidden foul.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

England were doomed the minute that idiotic commentator said 'could be the first English finalists at a world cup since 1966'.
Pity they did not play like that against Scotland.
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[Blue in Munich]

This is pretty much the point, why the continual comparison against the mens games (in any sport)? In most instances where men have a physical advantage it is going to be "better" in standard or to watch, try to enjoy it for what it is and lose the blinkers, makes watching it more enjoyable in my experience.

I'll watch women's golf as these days it has more relevance to my game than the men's version, but that's about it. Watching the game tonight, the defenders seemed incapable of clearing the ball from the edge of the box to the halfway line.

 

[NWJocko]

I'll watch women's golf as these days it has more relevance to my game than the men's version, but that's about it. Watching the game tonight, the defenders seemed incapable of clearing the ball from the edge of the box to the halfway line.

So it's OK for Southgate to ask John Stones to play out from the back and cock it up but when Neville asks the same of his team they are incapable?

England's goal and disallowed goal were both great bits of football, not much chat about them.......

Anyway, I'll bow out now, It's Coming Home has to wait for another time......

 

[Blue in Munich]

So it's OK for Southgate to ask John Stones to play out from the back and cock it up but when Neville asks the same of his team they are incapable?

England's goal and disallowed goal were both great bits of football, not much chat about them.......

Anyway, I'll bow out now, It's Coming Home has to wait for another time......

I'm not talking about the playing out that went awry, I was talking about the apparent inability to give it a decent hoof upfield to clear their lines.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

And that's the problem with the clear and obvious line Stu; how many times have you been at a game and called something that the referee has missed and been proved right later by TV; and how many times have you missed something, abused the referee's parentage and then been proved wrong later by TV? One man's clear and obvious is another man's hidden foul.

Plenty of times, the people in charge of our game have stated its only to be used for " clear and obvious" situations. The problem is more often than not offsides and contact in the box arent clear and obvious. You've got sky slowing every challenge down to prove their was contact or watching it from 4 different angles. its crazy.

If the ref needs to look at a screen then its not obvious.

VAR,imo, is the result of pundits using the old " i've seen them given for less" line, just because wrong decisions have been given, it doesnt make the next one right.

i think we'd all agree that we need better refs and it doesnt matter how much tech you introduce we'll still have that problem.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Plenty of times, the people in charge of our game have stated its only to be used for " clear and obvious" situations. The problem is more often than not offsides and contact in the box arent clear and obvious. You've got sky slowing every challenge down to prove their was contact or watching it from 4 different angles. its crazy.

If the ref needs to look at a screen then its not obvious.

VAR,imo, is the result of pundits using the old " i've seen them given for less" line, just because wrong decisions have been given, it doesnt make the next one right.

i think we'd all agree that we need better refs and it doesnt matter how much tech you introduce we'll still have that problem.

As much as we do, more honest players would be a help but since football became a business any chance of that has disappeared.

 

[NWJocko]

I'm not talking about the playing out that went awry, I was talking about the apparent inability to give it a decent hoof upfield to clear their lines.

Pretty sure I covered the physical attributes bit but crack on.

Still no positive comments about the good football that was played just the negatives in comparison to the mens game?

Thanks again for proving my point

I really am out this time.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Plenty of times, the people in charge of our game have stated its only to be used for " clear and obvious" situations. The problem is more often than not offsides and contact in the box arent clear and obvious. You've got sky slowing every challenge down to prove their was contact or watching it from 4 different angles. its crazy.

If the ref needs to look at a screen then its not obvious.

VAR,imo, is the result of pundits using the old " i've seen them given for less" line, just because wrong decisions have been given, it doesnt make the next one right.

i think we'd all agree that we need better refs and it doesnt matter how much tech you introduce we'll still have that problem.

 

[NWJocko]

Plenty of times, the people in charge of our game have stated its only to be used for " clear and obvious" situations. The problem is more often than not offsides and contact in the box arent clear and obvious. You've got sky slowing every challenge down to prove their was contact or watching it from 4 different angles. its crazy.

If the ref needs to look at a screen then its not obvious.

VAR,imo, is the result of pundits using the old " i've seen them given for less" line, just because wrong decisions have been given, it doesnt make the next one right.

i think we'd all agree that we need better refs and it doesnt matter how much tech you introduce we'll still have that problem.

I despise everything about VAR tbh

It is wholly in place to satisfy the armchair supporter with their Sky/BT subscriptions IMO.

Sadly the organising bodies are so controlled by them it will never be rolled back and the game is stuck with it.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

As much as we do, more honest players would be a help but since football became a business any chance of that has disappeared.

We'd have to get rid of those dirty foreigners first 😉

Again, you've got Andy Gray and co to thank for suggesting players should "go down and ask the ref a question". He started most of that mid nineties.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I enjoyed watching the game tbh, England were pretty poor in all areas unfortunately for them.

Re the comments about slow/poor technique etc, in relation to what? Mens football? What do you expect? Tennis and other sports are exactly the same.

I haven't watched that much but my daughter has and is absolutely hooked, now started playing football whereas previously had no interest in it.

Attracting middle aged men from a golf forum isn't really the point or aim of the governing bodies, I've been impressed with the coverage from the BBC and also the size of the crowds in France show it is growing as a sport. I'd sooner applaud that than piss on their chips tbh.

I hadn't seen all of your posts when I made mine, but my honest opinion is that I'm being offered a product to watch which is of a considerably lower standard to that which I normally watch, therefore I struggle to get excited about it. Great that it's given your daughter and interest but it's not for me.

You choose to view that as peeing on somebody's chips, I look at it as giving an honest opinion on what was on offer. I don't wish them any ill, it just doesn't excite me.

 

[Wolf]

As someone with a 12 year old daughter that started playing the game this season just past and plays either centre back of defensive midfield, we've tried to watch as much of the World Cup as possible. Have to say tonight performance was absolutely nothing short of a terrible advert for women's football. The pace of play from England was slow, barely string passes together, the defence was shocking especially the positioning of players for the goals. The penalty was barely a back pass let line an attempt on goal.

After the game my daughter actually picked out how poor it was where we were lacking and said she does defensive drills to point where at 12 years old she knows at all times where she should be so why can't the England players get basics right. I literally couldn't answer other than perhaps the occasion was to big.

They've done well to get this far tbh but tonight the difference in class showed why the US have for sometime been the best in the women's game. But as bad an advert as it was, it's made my daughter want to play even more knowing that there are now opportunities for girls like her to go on the big stage such as this, so hopefully it continues to grow the game for budding players like my little lass.