"Woman" wins cycling gold

[Lazkir]

EDIT: My bad, her PhD is in philosophy and not gender studies, even though I'd assume that she has a fair share of points in that field as well.

It's a PhD in gender studies though I might add, so...

https://www.skeptic.com/reading_roo...-contruct-sokal-style-hoax-on-gender-studies/

It's quite a read, and I'm sure you'll find it, erm, interesting.

Wow, that was both hilarious and scary at the same time! I particularly enjoyed the "fact" that our conceptual Penii are responsible for global warming.
Pretty much sums up the mess we've got ourselves in.

But I definitely need a lie down after reading that.

 

[Deleted member 25172]

Wow, that was both hilarious and scary at the same time! I particularly enjoyed the "fact" that our conceptual Penii are responsible for global warming.
Pretty much sums up the mess we've got ourselves in.

But I definitely need a lie down after reading that.

It's an excellent hoax by the professors to show the "science" behind gender studies.

If you feel you have a few more laughs in you...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/duped...-rewrite-of-mein-kampf-as-feminist-manifesto/

 

[Deleted member 18645]

OK time to give them full equality. No more separate mens and womens events. All in together. Women off the white tees too. That should be good for a laugh and last about a week.
Wait until Serena Williams loses 6-0 6-0 and never even gets a serve back and then starts bitching about equal pay.

 

[User 99]

Just checked my GAF meter, nope, nothing budged.

 

[clubchamp98]

OK time to give them full equality. No more separate mens and womens events. All in together. Women off the white tees too. That should be good for a laugh and last about a week.
Wait until Serena Williams loses 6-0 6-0 and never even gets a serve back and then starts bitching about equal pay.

6-0 6-0 6-0 it’s five sets with the boys.

 

[Tashyboy]

If said man trapped in a woman's body is trying to " bang the drum " of equality, she/he is going the right way about making those barriers higher not lower. She was born a man. Nature decided that. Yes she choose to be a woman. That I can accept. But she is competing against women in a mans body. That I cannot accept. Surely whilst changing sex, she is taking medication. How does that affect her cycling performance. No one is saying she shouldn't cycle, but compete. Something is wrong there.

 

[Tashyboy]

6-0 6-0 6-0 it’s five sets with the boys.

😂

 

[Dan2501]

Least they were only racing bikes and not beating women up like Fallon Fox was.

 

[User 99]

If said man trapped in a woman's body is trying to " bang the drum " of equality, she/he is going the right way about making those barriers higher not lower. She was born a man. Nature decided that. Yes she choose to be a woman. That I can accept. But she is competing against women in a mans body. That I cannot accept. Surely whilst changing sex, she is taking medication. How does that affect her cycling performance. No one is saying she shouldn't cycle, but compete. Something is wrong there.

Dame Sarah Storey is a disabled cyclist, her disability isn't in question, however, her disability aside, she is an elite cyclist, I'd suggest she has a very unfair advantage against those she competes/competed against as it's my understanding that none of those are/were elite cyclists.

 

[Dasit]

Been waiting for this stuff, going to be carnage in female professional sport, so much artificial money (subsidised by the male part of the sport) pumped in surprised more transitioned men to women not making paydays from it

 

[User20205]

It’s an issue, however as per usual this place has a tenuous grasp on the facts.
Did she take banned drugs as part of the change process, did she win any prize money. I don’t know, does anyone else?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Dame Sarah Storey is a disabled cyclist, her disability isn't in question, however, her disability aside, she is an elite cyclist, I'd suggest she has a very unfair advantage against those she competes/competed against as it's my understanding that none of those are/were elite cyclists.

She is a disabled athlete first and foremost , she was a swimmer in the Paralympics first then moved to cycling - she has no advantage beyond being massively talented , there is no comparison with the OP

 

[Orikoru]

It’s an issue, however as per usual this place has a tenuous grasp on the facts.
Did she take banned drugs as part of the change process, did she win any prize money. I don’t know, does anyone else?

Well she won an event. When these are competing athletes that's most likely enough already, let alone the money aspect.

When she's defending herself she keeps focusing on the testosterone angle and saying how she is forced to maintain low levels of it - but she never seems to address the fact that she is bigger and stronger simply by being born with male genes.

 

[Dibby]

So in my previous post, I mentioned how I believe its a problem, and a particularly bad thing for women's sports in general. In the interests of balance, here is an alternaltive view that sometimes goes through my head when internally debating this topic.

Ultimately sports evolved from combat and the idea of finding the best warrior. Any category we introduce on top of this is arbitrary, gender, age, weight, take your pick. Usually, a male will generally be better than a female, someone in their early twenties to mid-thirties will generally be a better athlete than those younger or older, and the heavier athlete will generally be better in weight class sports.

So it's never a level playing field, therefore why do we not have a problem with natural advantages, but do have a problem with some artificial advantages?
Why is altitude training ok, but a drug that has the same effect not ok?
Why are some supplements accepted as fine and others considered as banned PEDs?
Why are their defined hormone limits for both genders, based on averages?
If transgender athletes are an issue, what about test tube babies with altered DNA to make then "naturally" suited to a sport - potentially some athletes could already be coming from this process, but if not it's only a matter of time?
Why do we care about some advantages but not others?

Ultimately it all boils down to a lot of arbitrary rules, most likely heavily influenced by peoples attitudes at various times in history.

 

[User20205]

Well she won an event. When these are competing athletes that's most likely enough already, let alone the money aspect.

When she's defending herself she keeps focusing on the testosterone angle and saying how she is forced to maintain low levels of it - but she never seems to address the fact that she is bigger and stronger simply by being born with male genes.

I agree with you. My issue is that we’ve got from this to she is taking steriods & has only done it for the prize money...that’s quite a jump given our lack of collective expertise??

 

[Orikoru]

I agree with you. My issue is that we’ve got from this to she is taking steriods & has only done it for the prize money...that’s quite a jump given our lack of collective expertise??

Oh, personally I don't believe anyone would actually have a full sex change operation in order to win at a sports event. I'm not sure anyone was suggesting that about this woman. But I think we were saying it could be a slippery slope to start accepting people who simply identify as another gender, or claim to (i.e. no operation) and then competing in the opposite gender's event!

I think some of this conversation has been mixed up in terminology between those that are fully transgender (i.e. had the op) and those who simple identify as male/female/animal/whatever. It's a minefield but that's 2018 for you.

 

[woody69]

For me, it is the difference between gender and biological sex.

She may identify as a woman in terms of her gender, which can't be helped as that is what her brain is telling her, but gender is a social construct and ultimately she most likely has an X and a Y chromosome making her biologically a man. I appreciate there are some nuances between this binary split with intersex people, which makes it even more complicated. Essentially though, any Professional sport that is split between men and women should be split based on biological sex and not gender IMO

 

[Deleted member 18645]

On a slightly different tact, I still think we should have a 100 metres in the Olympics where anyone can take anything they want. Let's see just how fast someone can really run the distance. And how long they are around to enjoy the acclaim.

 

[User 99]

She is a disabled athlete first and foremost , she was a swimmer in the Paralympics first then moved to cycling - she has no advantage beyond being massively talented , there is no comparison with the OP

My point is, if it weren't for her disability, she would be good enough to compete at Olympic level,, her fellow competitors wouldn't be.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

My point is, if it weren't for her disability, she would be good enough to compete at Olympic level,, her fellow competitors wouldn't be.

But that has nothing to do with the OP - she is just a good swimmer/cyclist - the only thing that gives her an advantage is natural ability - she does have a disability there is no “if”.