Pro Zach
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Save your money, he's already posted the head cover drill. And he didn't seem to even consider that the good scores in the op could be down to a golf lesson actually improving a players ability.
Winning Open score to raise eyebrows!
- Thread starter Fader
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Save your money, he's already posted the head cover drill. And he didn't seem to even consider that the good scores in the op could be down to a golf lesson actually improving a players ability.
Fader
Tour Winner
To put a few things right the Open wasn't at Bearsted that's where my brother plays usually and himself cleared up in there open on both scratch and nett prizes the reason i highlighted that in the OP is down to his winning scores there were very realistic at +3 Gross for combined 2 rounds and off 1 handicap showed how tough the set up was aa he won nett as well.
Yesterdays Open was at my dads home club where Par is 69 but is a very tight course with small yet very quick greens. Its a tight course that later this year is hosting a single figure golf tour event. The guy that actually won the comp with his super human scoring is a member of the club that held the Open. I don't if that means his local knowledge is better, i very much doubt it as its a course my brother grew up playing as a kid, just seems some seriously epic scoring somehow.
i don't wish to name the course because would be unfair on the members there to perhaps all get the weary eye on them.
Yesterdays Open was at my dads home club where Par is 69 but is a very tight course with small yet very quick greens. Its a tight course that later this year is hosting a single figure golf tour event. The guy that actually won the comp with his super human scoring is a member of the club that held the Open. I don't if that means his local knowledge is better, i very much doubt it as its a course my brother grew up playing as a kid, just seems some seriously epic scoring somehow.
i don't wish to name the course because would be unfair on the members there to perhaps all get the weary eye on them.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
what's Bearsted got to do with it???????
edit Fader's post has covered that
Fader, so what's the SSS of the course then? 69/67 isn't uncommon and would make a huge difference to people perception of these scores if this was the case ie in 72/72 world that would be shooting around 43/44 points!
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duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Putting my deerstalker on .....
It's a 5400 par 68 of the back tees, I would estimate the SSS at 67 but don't know for a fact (just as I can't be absolutely certain I have the right course - but I would be on it
)So the guy has knocked it round in about 12 over a couple of times in perfect conditions - well done. He's going to be spending a lot longer playing off a very much lower handicap than savouring the moment given some of the comments here, and likely there too. Shame.
Fader
Tour Winner
We have a winner in Duncan. I stand corrected on Par of the course recently reverted to par 68 from 69 having changed one of the par 5s to a long 4.
SSS i believe is 67 though don't know that for a fact without speaking to my old man,what i do know is the course whilst not long is ridiculously tight all the way round and if you are offline then its chip out sideways as the trees offer no shots at greens.
The old man reckons sub 60 scores never happen though i cant confirm without rooting through HDID. But the guy was a home winner and i believe his score did raise eyebrows over it but he's the winner and if his handicap was genuine and he has **** the lights out he will struggle for a fair while now id have thought.
SSS i believe is 67 though don't know that for a fact without speaking to my old man,what i do know is the course whilst not long is ridiculously tight all the way round and if you are offline then its chip out sideways as the trees offer no shots at greens.
The old man reckons sub 60 scores never happen though i cant confirm without rooting through HDID. But the guy was a home winner and i believe his score did raise eyebrows over it but he's the winner and if his handicap was genuine and he has **** the lights out he will struggle for a fair while now id have thought.
Well our net club champs was one with net 63, net 67 for a total of -9. The guy plays off 19 but puts cards in every competition. He has an ex-pro mentoring him, has regular lessons and practices more than I do. He was an accident waiting to happen off that mark and the handicap secretary is starting to come out with him but irrespective of whatever his new mark is I reckon there is a good way for him to go and he'll have a few more of these days.
That said, I think the scores in the OP would raise a few eyebrows and off that handicap to go out and shoot that low twice doesn't sit well with me. Most opens are set up to be a challenge and show the course off at its best and it seems that the winner is protecting his handicap which makes him a bandit in my book
That said, I think the scores in the OP would raise a few eyebrows and off that handicap to go out and shoot that low twice doesn't sit well with me. Most opens are set up to be a challenge and show the course off at its best and it seems that the winner is protecting his handicap which makes him a bandit in my book
ArnoldArmChewer
Tour Winner
57 & 59 is just a joke, we gave the bird to a guy who shot 51 stable ford points in a charity day, this guy is a cheat nothing short!!!
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
51 points is about 8 shots better than this guy managed each round !
ArnoldArmChewer
Tour Winner
Agreed, we all felt cheated when this guy returned 51 points, especially as it boosted his team score too !!
I need to ask, OP, what was the outstanding prize this so called cheat saved up his handicap for to win? assuming he could have done it at any comp and now that he has, he will have his h/cap chopped, so I'm curious what wealth of goodies brought him to 'come out'?
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Does it matter? If I go into Tesco and nick a mars bar I'm still a thief just as much as if I broke into your house and stole your TV and car. If cheating (which in my opinion this is) can be condoned as it's merely protecting a high handicap to win an open , does that mean we can also condone using the "leather wedge" to give yourself a better lie in the rough or "forgetting" about the 3rd shot you played on a par 5 and writing down a 6 instead of a 7? Cheating is cheating whether it is to win £1 million or 50p.
Fader
Tour Winner
Did I call him a cheat in any of my posts! Errr Nope! Did I say he was saving the shots up? Errr Nope
I just said its a score to raise eyebrows which it and has done here... Also what is the relevance of the prize you could argue that for any person playing any comp!
All I did was comment on the scores and fact that I've refrained from naming the club it was played at was to attempt to stop others that may read here whether forumite or not was in to order to prevent said person being named a cheat or publically outed on a forum when he ma have just had a worldy of a day. Fact is others here have named him a cheat not me, but your post seems to focus on me as the accuser rather than someone that merely brought a discussion point to the fore! My apologies for raising a tpic that I thought of interest that you seem so clearly uptight about!
oh dear! you really need to read my post again with a clear head, you've got completely the wrong end of the stick and made a few assumptions and you know what that means
you've also missed the point, suppose thats the trouble with forums and the typed word............just to be crystal clear as its not obvious, a player with his official handicap wins a prize witnessed and signed for by others and you (and a few others on here) accuse him-without evidence- of the worst crime in golf
I hope one day it all comes together for you in a medal and you smash your handicap.......it's my goal and hope everytime I play and if anyone calls me a cheat for (hopefully) smashing my handicap theres usually an obvious green reason....
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Foxholer
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Something also to be considered is whether the guy is a Junior/Intermediate on holiday from School/College/University
Not only can the fact that they are playing/practicing every hour of the day mean they are likely to improve way faster than the handicap system can catch up, but many are shooting up and getting stronger as well.
A mate's son grew about 9 inches in a year and filled out hugely, going from handicap 18 to 6! The club actually only had 1 Medal and 1 or maybe 2 other qualifiers a month, so there were some pretty resounding wins!
Not only can the fact that they are playing/practicing every hour of the day mean they are likely to improve way faster than the handicap system can catch up, but many are shooting up and getting stronger as well.
A mate's son grew about 9 inches in a year and filled out hugely, going from handicap 18 to 6! The club actually only had 1 Medal and 1 or maybe 2 other qualifiers a month, so there were some pretty resounding wins!
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
I can do that in 20 minutes
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
With all seriousness, do you know what I would have done???
After the 1st round I would have congratulated him on his score and said something along the lines of "well played, every dog has his day".
And once I realised he had continued to play like that during the 2nd round??? I'd have said "have it" and walked off
After the 1st round I would have congratulated him on his score and said something along the lines of "well played, every dog has his day".
And once I realised he had continued to play like that during the 2nd round??? I'd have said "have it" and walked off
bobmac
Major Champion
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
I still get a buzz from the two consecutive rounds I shot at Cooden two years ago. Two gross 78's net 66's. I played out of my boots. The two best rounds I have ever put together in over 25 years of playing golf. I could not have played any better.
I would have been well chuffed to have been done by 17 shots overall by a 20 handicapper.
I would have been well chuffed to have been done by 17 shots overall by a 20 handicapper.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Cooden is usually 72 against this 67 (probably) so his performance represents about 4 or 5 shots better in total than yours - nothing like 17 shots!
Arguably the performances were of a similar scale, and I hope your playing partners' thoughts at the time mirrored your stated views here. (well obviously I don't really, I would hope he was fully supportive of your two best rounds ever and your achievement)
