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Winning Open score to raise eyebrows!

Fader said:
You'd have thought with those conditions the scores would be bunched and a lot of countbacks to judge finishing positions. But the gaps give off a smell.

First and only time I shot a +2 round of 73 was off of 9 and I played out of my skin. Never done it since
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I have shot 2 under before but that was a social round and I just went for everything and for once they came off!!! next round I played I shot in the nineties. The guy has shot 18 under his HCP that is like me shooting 10 under not gonna happen
 
In_The_Rough said:
I have shot 2 under before but that was a social round and I just went for everything and for once they came off!!! next round I played I shot in the nineties. The guy has shot 18 under his HCP that is like me shooting 10 under not gonna happen
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Absolutely agree with you, would need to go round my home course in 61! Its ridiculous...
 
Fader said:
Absolutely agree with you, would need to go round my home course in 61! Its ridiculous...
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If there were a pile of other similar scores then I would say o.k probably true the course is playing like a pitch and putt so everybody has gone beserk but the massive gap seals it for me. Love a success story but this one stretches it too far
 
Fader said:
You'd have thought with those conditions the scores would be bunched and a lot of countbacks to judge finishing positions. But the gaps give off a smell.

First and only time I shot a +2 round of 73 was off of 9 and I played out of my skin. Never done it since
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Not necessarily, conditions obviously helping but everybody isn't going to have the round of their life on the same day, or what appears to be the round of the life of the country, but such rounds can happen and when they do the gap will be huge.

5 days previously the guy scored 41 so would seem to be playing ahead of his handicap (although going further back there are a few shockers and no returns).
Maybe I'm just gullible but to my mind the ronud in question is one VERY EXCEPTIONAL round, he may not play another like it for years and years, if ever.
 
An 18 handicapper is, more than likely, able to par any hole on the course. Using the 'infinite number of monkeys with typewriters = Shakespeare' theory, every now and again one of them will actually get all the pars in the same round. It will happen. After all, that is what keeps us all coming back week after week - the fact that we KNOW at some point we will have the perfect round. Shame that we are jealous when it happens to someone else.
 
In_The_Rough said:
If there were a pile of other similar scores then I would say o.k probably true the course is playing like a pitch and putt so everybody has gone beserk but the massive gap seals it for me. Love a success story but this one stretches it too far
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My biggest concern if i were a member of the same club, is that he's only been cut 5 shots.
I just don't see how somebody who is capable of shooting 2 over gross is going to struggle to play to 15 ? What will the handicap secretary say if this chap has another 2 over gross in an open somewhere else (a mere 49 points).
Call me cynical, but 54 points should never be a possiblity for anybody if the handicap is anywhere near correct, 45 maybe even 46 points with a once in a blue moon round, but 54 is shocking imo.
 
Mungoscorner said:
My biggest concern if i were a member of the same club, is that he's only been cut 5 shots.
I just don't see how somebody who is capable of shooting 2 over gross is going to struggle to play to 15 ? What will the handicap secretary say if this chap has another 2 over gross in an open somewhere else (a mere 49 points).
Call me cynical, but 54 points should never be a possiblity for anybody if the handicap is anywhere near correct, 45 maybe even 46 points with a once in a blue moon round, but 54 is shocking imo.
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Yep. I have yet to meat a 20 HCP golfer who can shoot 2 over in any conditions. They are just not consistent enough to do this.
 
Mungoscorner said:
I'm sorry but thats ridiculous.
If i were the handicap secretary he'd be a Cat 1 golfer in the next comp he entered.
He's played to 2 and in the next comp he'll be allowed to play off 15 !!!!
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If he was a 20 h/cap then personally I'd be glad to play him off 15. I think 5 shots is a fair cut. That's how the h/cap system is supposed to work. If he has another uber low round then likely he'll trigger a big ESR and be off 9 by the end of the week.... perfect handicapping in action if you ask me.
 
In_The_Rough said:
Knowing that he had previously shot 18 under his HCP you would still play him? I would be very wary personally.
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I would.... but not for anything over a quid! :D LOL

Like I said, if he goes low again then he's off 9, and I'd play him happily for £2 then :lol:

It's very unlikely that someone off 20 will ever shoot that low again... even people off 2 h/cap can't do it that regularly.
 
JustOne said:
I would.... but not for anything over a quid! :D LOL

Like I said, if he goes low again then he's off 9, and I'd play him happily for £2 then :lol:

It's very unlikely that someone off 20 will ever shoot that low again... even people off 2 h/cap can't do it that regularly.
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True. A quid is certainly the most I would go to!! If he can shoot 2 over then his HCP should tumble further
 
In_The_Rough said:
Be interesting to see how he goes from here. If he is capable of shooting 2 over then he should be able to play to this without much trouble
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interesting, but difficult - no card returned in the next stableford :(

note - just pointing out a documented situation and not suggesting anything at all!
 
Oh the Tabloid "Shock - Horror" brigade are out in force on this one.........

Firstly, I'll agree that 2 scores like that will raise eyebrows.

But...

Just like the "Novice to Scratch in a year" thread a while back, it's not impossible.
Highly unlikely, but not impossible.
And just because he's done it, on this Forum, he's generally being branded a Cheat....
A couple of years ago I had 49 points playing off 9, a gross 66 (-4) and I left at least 4 more points out there. My next 2 rounds on the next 2 days were 70 and 69.....
Off a higher handicap, if everything went very well, then high 50's isn't impossible by any means - rare Yes but impossible - No.

Everyone saying it's impossible for someone to have 2 stonking rounds back to back on the same day - No it isn't.....

Highly, highly improbable but not impossible.........

And he gets cut by however many shots the Computer says he gets cut by - the same as anyone else....
And I bet he's struggling off the new handicap.
We don't know any real History of the Guy, we don't know anything to be able to judge if his handicap is right or wrong.
All we know is that he shot 2 good rounds back to back.

So he must be a Cheat......:confused:
 
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