I think his only hope is to go back to Butch Harmon as his coach!
Will Tiger Woods Win in 2015?
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HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
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Talking before the tournament, he said that he had hit thousands of chips and the issue was sorted
Talking before the tournament, he said that he had hit thousands of chips and the issue was sorted
Tongo
Journeyman Pro
Just looking at the comparison piccie posts by Liverpoolphil in post 97 shows the difference between now and his early days. The swing now just doesnt look right, his head appears to low, he appears to be stooping somewhat and doesnt appear to have rotated enough through the shot. (Although the two photos arent quite at the same point in the swing) In contrast, his swing in 1997 looks to be absolutely perfect.
Now i know very little about the mechanics of the swing; the above is purely observation. I could be wrong, but the 2015 doesnt look good.
Goodness only knows about the pitching!
Now i know very little about the mechanics of the swing; the above is purely observation. I could be wrong, but the 2015 doesnt look good.
Goodness only knows about the pitching!
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
He did, you're right but that was 2 months ago and probably has little relevence. Once he's played 3 or 4 times we'll know better where he stands but this has to be a huge blow to him, he can't have imagined it could be this bad
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Could he blame it on Toothache? Or has Rory got a patent on that one!
Not sure Harmon would touch him. Every pro will have been working on short game, short game and short game and so I don't buy into this its the first event of the season. He'd have put the work in and this goes far beyond rustiness. Shame. A Tiger on fire is a great thing to see and had this been McIlroy, Scott or any of the other top guys I'd have been saying exactly the same thing about how shot the technique looks. Not a Woods hater per se. Just think we've seen the best of him now.
shewy
Journeyman Pro
I don't think he'd win our monthly medal the way he's going.
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
He will kick himself if he ever finds out he could have joined the forum and had any number of guys sort him out.
For what it's worth, I thought it was way worse today and that's saying something!
For what it's worth, I thought it was way worse today and that's saying something!
JCW
Journeyman Pro
He is busted in the head , take a lot to fix that , ask Ian Baker Finch , won the open and then just lost his game and never ever found it again , he is finished , Tiger is done till the Seniors Tour
richart
Major Champion
Can't understand why someone with just about the best short game ever, especially under pressure, should change his chipping technique. Long game swing yes, but around the green short swing.
Robobum
Money List Winner
He showed a lot of class in his post round interview I thought. More class than those who are revelling in his troubles.
It's not just his words when it's been said he has been hitting it lovely - the commentators have all watched him on the range and were impressed with how he looked.
The trouble there is that to get that out to the course in competition he needs to play in more of them. That would mean a complete rethink on his schedule as he normally plays the fewest tournaments of anyone.
I really hope he comes good again. You'd be an idiot if you didn't want to see one of the best ever golfers battling it out down the back 9 of a major with Rory, Kaymer, Stenson, Scott etc etc
It's not just his words when it's been said he has been hitting it lovely - the commentators have all watched him on the range and were impressed with how he looked.
The trouble there is that to get that out to the course in competition he needs to play in more of them. That would mean a complete rethink on his schedule as he normally plays the fewest tournaments of anyone.
I really hope he comes good again. You'd be an idiot if you didn't want to see one of the best ever golfers battling it out down the back 9 of a major with Rory, Kaymer, Stenson, Scott etc etc
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Yes..... to reclaim his match fitness and confidence he needs to seriously up the number of events he plays in.
When you hit 40 the short game 'nerve' seems to twitch a lot more, golfers tend to play and practice less at that age.
If you look at the successful over 40's they tend to be golfers who still play a lot of competitions.
When you hit 40 the short game 'nerve' seems to twitch a lot more, golfers tend to play and practice less at that age.
If you look at the successful over 40's they tend to be golfers who still play a lot of competitions.
Dave3498
Q-School Graduate
I have just watched Tiger's post-match interview and he seems pretty determined to get back tot the top of his game. I wouldn't write him off yet. I believe there are more tour wins in him, but probably not any more majors and I don't think he will achieve his goal of surpassing Jack's tally. Compared to Tiger, Jack plodded to his 18 majors over many years, whereas Tiger rather exploded into his in his glory days. Whether there is anything to be read into this, I don't know.
nickough
Hacker
Tiger has the full blown YIPS! More practice?? He has been chipping since he was four years old, the first thing he started doing after his back op was chipping!! He is in trouble - big time!
Any readers of Hank Haney's book will know that he always beleived Tiger had the driving yips - good on the range and always prone to 'random' big pulls on the course under pressure. This latest debarcle (at Phoenix) is the ultimate culmination of these problems. He is fighting demons - and fighting the loss of his crown, which is emotionally crippling him.
It goes deeper than golf!
This is dire straits for Tiger and the end of his competitive times on tour, he has ALOT to deal with and I don't think he has the self control or emotional maturity to conquor this at the moment. He is still obsessed with distance and length - again read HH's book to see how Tiger had to be continually reminded of the big picture! Saying 'I've got my speed back!' the other day, shows that he is not working on the right things for longesvity or learning to win a different (elder statesman) way!
He has a sycophantic young coach who will do as Tiger wants, not what is best for a player of his age and skill.
IMO his yips will not go away until he gains true emotional awareness and changes his objectives, and that will involve lots of trips to the shrink. He has years of baggage to offload and his golf can no longer mask the troubled life he has led.
All golfers with longevity in the modern era, have security, stability and nothing to prove in their personal life - partners, kids, grandkids and fullfilment etc - I'm afraid Tiger still doesn't know what his position in life is. Until he is satisfied with that he cannot move on from his recent downfall.
I suspect he will leave golf within 3 years and take a long time out doing something completely unrelated to golf to gain some perspective. However, I doubt he will return after he has gained some inner peace!
Any readers of Hank Haney's book will know that he always beleived Tiger had the driving yips - good on the range and always prone to 'random' big pulls on the course under pressure. This latest debarcle (at Phoenix) is the ultimate culmination of these problems. He is fighting demons - and fighting the loss of his crown, which is emotionally crippling him.
It goes deeper than golf!
This is dire straits for Tiger and the end of his competitive times on tour, he has ALOT to deal with and I don't think he has the self control or emotional maturity to conquor this at the moment. He is still obsessed with distance and length - again read HH's book to see how Tiger had to be continually reminded of the big picture! Saying 'I've got my speed back!' the other day, shows that he is not working on the right things for longesvity or learning to win a different (elder statesman) way!
He has a sycophantic young coach who will do as Tiger wants, not what is best for a player of his age and skill.
IMO his yips will not go away until he gains true emotional awareness and changes his objectives, and that will involve lots of trips to the shrink. He has years of baggage to offload and his golf can no longer mask the troubled life he has led.
All golfers with longevity in the modern era, have security, stability and nothing to prove in their personal life - partners, kids, grandkids and fullfilment etc - I'm afraid Tiger still doesn't know what his position in life is. Until he is satisfied with that he cannot move on from his recent downfall.
I suspect he will leave golf within 3 years and take a long time out doing something completely unrelated to golf to gain some perspective. However, I doubt he will return after he has gained some inner peace!
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
I thought it was a much different Woods interview. I loved the "I'm only here so I don't get fined"line and he seemed remarkably positive and upbeat while being honest that his game has issues to sort. Different to the usual Woods interviews which far more coy and candid. You could see the hurt and embarrassment in his face but he didn't hide. I don't know about fighting demons, being crippled emotionally or not knowing his position in life. He seems to be in a comfy relationship with a talented sportswoman and happy to be at her side to share her glory days and I would argue is perhaps as happy in his private life as he has been for a few years (although what do I or the rest of us really know).
He has technical issues, certainly in the short game area at the moment and the coaching he's getting isn't working or isn't being taken onto a course and that would be the biggest worry. If he can get something he relies and trusts then he'll get back to a decent level of performance and will contend and possibly win on tour again. Whether that involves more coaching changes, a new swing and short game or just more work on whatever he's working on only Woods knows. One thing is certain and that's he'll be hurting after that horror and be doing everything to ensure that never happens again, although Torrey Pines is not an easy next venue to take an out of form game to
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
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Wow, do you wear purple, and sit under a giant crystal when you get home?
Some of tigers best golf was played when he was cheating on his wife, and living the lie. It suited him.
Inner peace? I think not.
Wow, do you wear purple, and sit under a giant crystal when you get home?
Some of tigers best golf was played when he was cheating on his wife, and living the lie. It suited him.
Inner peace? I think not.
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Looks like he is going to miss out on the WGC at Doral
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Can't understand why someone with just about the best short game ever, especially under pressure, should change his chipping technique. Long game swing yes, but around the green short swing.
For my money Rich he had the best short game in the world, head and shoulders above the likes of Mickelson and Els. He wasn't as flashy are played the hollywood flops like Phil but in or around the greens you fancied he'd get up and down or even hole it with his chip.
His game is gone, I'm not a lover or hater i just call it with Tiger as i see it. He may win again on tour at some point but i cannot see him win another major, time is not on his side at all and lots of young guys are there getting it done, Rory, Kaymer with 6 between them, Patrick Reed starting to hit the gas, Billy Horschell hoping to kick on from his Fed Ex win, Jordan Speith who I feel like Rory once he gets a couple of wins under his belt will kick on. Fowler unfortunately I feel will be the American Sergio Garcia, lots of talent but won't win much.
bluewolf
Money List Winner
sportsbob
Assistant Pro
What will his world ranking be by the end of the year? He has already dropped 15 places this year to 47 prior to this debacle
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
He will be out of the top 50 on Monday
The number of events(or lack of) he plays counts in his favour - to an extent.....
Everyone else has their points total divided by 45+ events, many are up to 50+.
Tiger's is 40.
But he only has 98 points.
By the Summer a significant chunk of those points will have dropped off his total.
26 of those 98 will be gone by the US Open and another 26 by the USPGA.
An unlikely scenario but if you assume for a moment that he doesn't get any or many points before the USPGA, his points average could be as low as 1.7 - currently good enough for a mid-80's position.
If he gets no points all year then by the end of 2015 he will have less than 10 ranking points and be as low as 650th
That's pretty much the worst case - I doubt it will be that bad.
Because he barely played last year - and then not very well - he needs to get some points this season or he will be in free fall as all his 2013 points will be gone this time next year.
The number of events(or lack of) he plays counts in his favour - to an extent.....
Everyone else has their points total divided by 45+ events, many are up to 50+.
Tiger's is 40.
But he only has 98 points.
By the Summer a significant chunk of those points will have dropped off his total.
26 of those 98 will be gone by the US Open and another 26 by the USPGA.
An unlikely scenario but if you assume for a moment that he doesn't get any or many points before the USPGA, his points average could be as low as 1.7 - currently good enough for a mid-80's position.
If he gets no points all year then by the end of 2015 he will have less than 10 ranking points and be as low as 650th
That's pretty much the worst case - I doubt it will be that bad.
Because he barely played last year - and then not very well - he needs to get some points this season or he will be in free fall as all his 2013 points will be gone this time next year.
