Will Liverpool FC ever learn.

Personally i think LFC have gone the correct route with signing Rogers.Ok,he young manager,only won promotion with Swansea but got to admit he has got them playing some good football in their 1st season in the prem which didnt look out of place......

If we had gone for a big name manager do you really think he would be able to attract the BIG BIG players to the club? I dont,times have changed when the majority of players ears would have pricked up on hearing LFC were interested in them,but now the top players are gonna go where the money is regardless of who the manager is,(still think we do attract players but not like we use too)...

So as the majority of fans will get behind him fingers crossed that he is given the time to put his mark on the team and hopefully some success...
 
I would take the chelski three over the three dumplings in red. Of course money talks and he would get more of it to spend and in his pocket at Chelsea.
 
chris661 said:
I would take the chelski three over the three dumplings in red. Of course money talks and he would get more of it to spend and in his pocket at Chelsea.
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You're right Chris.

Saying that, Liverpool have some quality players in their squad and managing Liverpool, in my eyes (.... And I'm not a fan) it's still one of the bigger jobs in world football.

The only guarantee a manager has going to Chelsea is a big pay off when they sack him.
 
Is Pep actually a good manager though? He has only managed at Barca, where the only tactic he needs is give the ball to the little guy. His home grown players pour out of La Masia, with the Barca way of playing ingrained in them. Even their new manager was internally promoted, as was Pep. He hasn't even had to work to a budget, as Barca are about 500 mill in debt, with no sign of ever having to pay any of it off. Signing players was easy, as who wouldn't want to play for Barca?

He needs to prove himself at a different club. I think he will fail at Chelsea.
 
Stuart_C said:
As for dave doing a good job at everton he has, but he's tactically inept.

That fa cup semi final exposed the myth of him being a top manager.1-0 up and you try to defend for 45 mins.
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Hang on..

How did Kenny set up against Man City in the Carling Cup? I thought there was a fair few minutes of all hands to the pump, stick 10 men behind the ball, going on there as well.

I agree it was a poor tactic in hindsight. But does that mean Kenny is a bad tactician as well, or is it different because he got away with it?

Anyhoo..

IMO Kenny was only offered a full time contract because his caretaker period was so successful. I don't think the new owner particularly wanted to be tied to the past, but he'd accept it as long as the results were good enough. (Like I say, just my opinion).

So as soon as Kenny failed, added to the debacle of the racism case, he didn't stand a chance.

I think that as far as the board are concerned, they will be willing to give Rogers a fair crack of the whip. Looking at the attitude of other American owners they will spend enough to give the manager a chance to compete (that's enough in their opinion, of course - I doubt if that will agree with the fans' opinions), but will be looking to balance the books as much as possible, as quickly as possible.

Kenny, irrespective of any other talents/failings, has never had success on a tight budget. he's alays worked on the idea of "We'll get who I want, even if we have to overpay for him".

I think Roger's chances of success rest purely on the shoulders of the fans.

Irrespective of what the Liverpool fans think, from the outside it looked from a very early start that they thought Hodgson wasn't good enough for them, and that was very much a significant factor in the length of his stay. I think the board would have given him longer without the outside pressure.

I think the fans wanted to keep Kenny, but the board wanted him out.

So if the board are happy with their new manager, and the fans are willing to look at a 3 year 'project' as well, I think the signs for Liverpool are pretty good.

Like G1BB0 said, there's a half decent squad there already,
Reina
Johnson Agger Skrtel Enrique
Lucas Adam
Gerrard
Kuyt Carroll Suarez​


With Bellamy, Henderson, and Downing as backup is the basis of a squad that most managers would be excited about climbing the Premiership with.

For me, his first challenges are
  1. Get Carroll and Suarez playing together
  2. Get better options than Adam and Kuyt
One of those is reliant on his skill set, the other is reliant on a budget of £20-£30 million :thup:

There are teams in a worse situation, you know. ;)
 
CrapHacker18 said:
Hang on..

How did Kenny set up against Man City in the Carling Cup? I thought there was a fair few minutes of all hands to the pump, stick 10 men behind the ball, going on there as well.

I agree it was a poor tactic in hindsight. But does that mean Kenny is a bad tactician as well, or is it different because he got away with it?

Anyhoo..

IMO Kenny was only offered a full time contract because his caretaker period was so successful. I don't think the new owner particularly wanted to be tied to the past, but he'd accept it as long as the results were good enough. (Like I say, just my opinion).

So as soon as Kenny failed, added to the debacle of the racism case, he didn't stand a chance.

I think that as far as the board are concerned, they will be willing to give Rogers a fair crack of the whip. Looking at the attitude of other American owners they will spend enough to give the manager a chance to compete (that's enough in their opinion, of course - I doubt if that will agree with the fans' opinions), but will be looking to balance the books as much as possible, as quickly as possible.

Kenny, irrespective of any other talents/failings, has never had success on a tight budget. he's alays worked on the idea of "We'll get who I want, even if we have to overpay for him".

I think Roger's chances of success rest purely on the shoulders of the fans.

Irrespective of what the Liverpool fans think, from the outside it looked from a very early start that they thought Hodgson wasn't good enough for them, and that was very much a significant factor in the length of his stay. I think the board would have given him longer without the outside pressure.

I think the fans wanted to keep Kenny, but the board wanted him out.

So if the board are happy with their new manager, and the fans are willing to look at a 3 year 'project' as well, I think the signs for Liverpool are pretty good.


There are teams in a worse situation, you know. ;)
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That man city game was a one off and the difference in quality between us and city is massive, Moyes has done it more often than not IMO.

I agree to a certain extent with your comments about kenny because from jan-may the results and performances were superb so that earned him a new contract and not many people would've disagreed.

As for signings he was not part of the negotiating of any of them deals, he identified them and comolli did the deals. As far as working with a tight budget, unless you'e already got a great 1st 11 if you're target is champion league then you've got to spend big and it can't be done on a tight budget.

Rodgers chances of success is in his own hands and the fans will support him as long as his standards are high and not spouting rubbish about a mid table finish will be progress like Roy did.

The majority of fans wanted kenny to be given the chance to put right our home results which I think is only fair but I'm certain they've sacked him on other grounds rather than league results.

My biggest worry about the way this appointment has been made is there is no experiened football man on the board running the football club in the right way.
 
murphthemog said:
Is Pep actually a good manager though? He has only managed at Barca, where the only tactic he needs is give the ball to the little guy. His home grown players pour out of La Masia, with the Barca way of playing ingrained in them. Even their new manager was internally promoted, as was Pep. He hasn't even had to work to a budget, as Barca are about 500 mill in debt, with no sign of ever having to pay any of it off. Signing players was easy, as who wouldn't want to play for Barca?

He needs to prove himself at a different club. I think he will fail at Chelsea.
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I agree with you murph, a lot of people will be expecting pep to build some sort of dynasty in 18 months.

Development of young footballers can take years to come through.
 
Liverpool currently don't have a playing style BUT they have got the potential of a good side there, mainly from players who didn't fit the mould (or lack of one). Bring back Aquilani and Joe Cole, sign Siggurdsson and Williams and play the popular 4-2-3-1 formation.

Reina - Johnson Williams Agger Enrique - Gerrard Siggurdsson - Cole Aquilani Suarez - Carroll

I think that could do a job. If I was a Liverpool fan I'd be really happy with this appointment
 
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Tiger said:
Liverpool currently don't have a playing style BUT they have got the potential of a good side there, mainly from players who didn't fit the mould (or lack of one). Bring back Aquilani and Joe Cole, sign Siggurdsson and Williams and play the popular 4-2-3-1 formation.

Reina - Johnson Williams Agger Enrique - Gerrard Siggurdsson - Cole Aquilani Suarez - Carroll

I think that could do a job. If I was a Liverpool fan I'd be really happy with this appointment
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I dont think Williams would replace Skrtel, he was our player of the year!

I also dont think Carrol is the the answer upfront. In light of Chelsea signing Hilk I would put a bid in for Sturridge as he would suit Rogers style of play.
 
jpenno said:
I dont think Williams would replace Skrtel, he was our player of the year!

I also dont think Carrol is the the answer upfront. In light of Chelsea signing Hilk I would put a bid in for Sturridge as he would suit Rogers style of play.
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Good point on Williams replacing Skrtel and good shout on Daniel Sturridge who must surely be thinking of moving on now Hulk has been bought and Torres has has 'assurances' from Roman...

...but I still think Carroll can be a class act for you. Loads of people knocked his performance against Norway but I thought he did well when he had service and support in the first half. I think he'll surprise a few people this summer
 
Hello all,

I've been away all week, tearing up them Scottish golf courses. God, there easy up there. :)

Anything new/exciting happen here.............

Rodgers, eh? Reasonably happy with that appointment.
 
Liverbirdie said:
Hello all,

I've been away all week, tearing up them Scottish golf courses. God, there easy up there. :)

Anything new/exciting happen here.............

Rodgers, eh? Reasonably happy with that appointment.
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You been playing crazy golf again??
 
Stuart_C said:
No I'm judging him from what I've seen and also what my match going season ticket holder mates tell me.

Finishing above us twice in 20 yrs isn't bad.

My choice would've been someone with a great European pedigree who has won trophies in europe and can attract big names
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My point Stuart was that give the respective budgets of the two clubs Everton have no right to be anywhere near Liverpool. And so the only way they could achieve that is through good management. Good management being making the right signings, using the right tactics and getting the very best out of what is available to you.

Yes Moyes got it wrong in the semi final but his record would suggest he gets it right more often than not.

There is nobody that fits your description who is currently available who would take the Liverpool job.

I'm impressed with the way Rodgers has spoken in the last couple of days. He knows he is in charge of a massive club (and he is) but he also knows they are some way behind where they need to be.
 
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