WHS & ISV Issues (Please post only if you are a handicap secretary or involved in admin at your club)

[jim8flog]

Thanks for the comments:

The reference to elite players not being able to submit casual rounds was from an England Golf briefing which highlighted what had changed from UHS and that included both the definition of Elite Players plus the fact that they were not able to post "acceptable" rounds.

So another thing that might have changed since the workshops.

I need to have a thorough dig around the manual to see if it was carried forward.

 

[jim8flog]

Thanks for the comments:

The reference to elite players not being able to submit casual rounds was from an England Golf briefing which highlighted what had changed from UHS and that included both the definition of Elite Players plus the fact that they were not able to post "acceptable" rounds.

The only reference in the manual to an elite player is with regards to initial handicap. There is no definition either.

 

[Old Skier]

So another thing that might have changed since the workshops.

I need to have a thorough dig around the manual to see if it was carried forward.

Can’t see anything in the EG Guidance Notes that says anything regarding elite players.

 

[Swango1980]

Can’t see anything in the EG Guidance Notes that says anything regarding elite players.

I know some 20+ handicappers that consider themselves elite. So, a WHS definition would be useful

 

[rulefan]

Whilst getting ready for resumption of golf I thought it would be a good idea to replace our supplementary score process - would welcome any comments.

Submission of Casual Rounds for Handicap Purposes

The World Handicap System (WHS) encourages players to submit as many cards as possible to ensure their Handicap Index reflects their current playing ability. These will include all singles competitions (home and away), but players are also encouraged to submit scores for Casual Rounds whenever possible.
A Casual Round replaces the old Supplementary Score but is different in as much as all players (other than elite players) can submit scores when playing at home or away which will count towards their handicap providing the following simple conditions are met:

• The round must be registered on the day before play commences either via a PSI terminal or the HowDidIDo application.
• It must be played over a measured course of at least 9 holes which has been assessed for WHS purposes.
• It must be played to the rules of golf – including any local rules.
• It must be verified by a marker whose name should be included with the entered score.

Following the round, the gross hole-by-hole score should be entered either via a PSI terminal or HDID. If a hole is not completed for whatever reason it should be entered as a zero.
The type of rounds acceptable for Casual Rounds are; Medal, Stableford, Bogey and Maximum Score although it is anticipated that the vast majority will be Medal and Stableford. Note that singles matchplay rounds are not eligible to be registered as Casual Rounds currently.
Roll-up and society rounds will be acceptable for submission as Casual Rounds, providing they conform to the conditions above.
Following submission, the round will be verified by the Handicap Committee and then processed as part of the WHS and a new Handicap Index calculated overnight ready for play next day.
Please note that to be fair to all players you must submit a score for a Casual Round if you have registered your intention to do so. Failure to do this without and acceptable reason will result in a penalty score being added to your playing record.

I am reminded that the term 'Supplementary Score' is now officially General Play not 'Casual Rounds'

 

[Swango1980]

I'm assuming a player's handicap on Club V1 should be the same as the WHS Portal?

I've had a member asking why he is 18.7 on Club V1 and 18.8 on WHS. I've checked, and the two numbers are indeed different.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

I am reminded that the term 'Supplementary Score' is now officially General Play not 'Casual Rounds'

At the risk of shooting the messenger......

Most of the materials prior to launch they were called acceptable rounds, then casual rounds (club V1 still think they are), and now General Play Rounds!

Is it any wonder people are confused (and frustrated)

 

[mikejohnchapman]

Can’t see anything in the EG Guidance Notes that says anything regarding elite players.

The only quote I saw was in the CONGU Guidance for WHS and was as follows:

G5.2a (2) Initial Handicap for Elite players
If the scores submitted for an initial handicap indicate a handicap of 0.0 or lower for a man or 2.0 or lower for a woman the club must follow the guidance and procedures issued by its National Association before any Handicap Index is awarded.

As this was in line with all the briefings etc I took it as correct - silly I know.

 

[rulefan]

At the risk of shooting the messenger......

Most of the materials prior to launch they were called acceptable rounds, then casual rounds (club V1 still think they are), and now General Play Rounds!

Is it any wonder people are confused (and frustrated)

A procedure that requires a formal declaration of intent and a formal return of an attested score can hardly be called 'casual'

But of course they were originally and are still, a subset of 'acceptable scores'.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

A procedure that requires a formal declaration of intent and a formal return of an attested score can hardly be called 'casual'

But of course they were originally and are still, a subset of 'acceptable scores'.

You are right - not sure General Play is that much better mind you.

 

[Old Skier]

You are right - not sure General Play is that much better mind you.

Why they didn’t just stick to Supplementary is beyond me, change for change sake.

 

[rulefan]

Why they didn’t just stick to Supplementary is beyond me, change for change sake.

Probably because the rest of the world already used the term 'general play' and only CONGU used 'supplementary scores'.

 

[Old Skier]

Probably because the rest of the world already used the term 'general play' and only CONGU used 'supplementary scores'.

But as EG have the discretion to " do their own thing " and have, what difference will it make.

 

[rulefan]

Re 'Elite' players returning General Play scores. - I can confirm there are no restrictions on entering scores.
The only related constraint is that only the County can apply additional adjustments to elite players handicap indices (Men - Scratch and Better , Women - 2.0 and better)

 

[Swango1980]

Most likely a simple / stupid question

I have access to the WHS Portal, as I followed the registration process provided by England Golf at the time. If I / the club want to give access to other Committee members, how do we give them permission to successfully register. Is it just a case of me adding a User Account and putting in their details, including User ID and password? Also, what sort of permissions do you recommend (I am wanting to give access to the handicap representatives in the Seniors and Ladies sections)

 

[Old Skier]

Most likely a simple / stupid question

I have access to the WHS Portal, as I followed the registration process provided by England Golf at the time. If I / the club want to give access to other Committee members, how do we give them permission to successfully register. Is it just a case of me adding a User Account and putting in their details, including User ID and password? Also, what sort of permissions do you recommend (I am wanting to give access to the handicap representatives in the Seniors and Ladies sections)

When your in the dashboard, go to

Stettings
Users
Create a New User

You can give them access deciding on what is required.,

 

[mikejohnchapman]

Re 'Elite' players returning General Play scores. - I can confirm there are no restrictions on entering scores.
The only related constraint is that only the County can apply additional adjustments to elite players handicap indices (Men - Scratch and Better , Women - 2.0 and better)

Yes, I just got this confirmed by the county.

I have now thrown away (recycled) all the briefing notes I was given in the build-up to the introduction of WHS as they are clearly worthless.

I wonder why I bothered to travel to the EG events in the last 2 years to be honest.

 

[IanMcC]

I'm assuming a player's handicap on Club V1 should be the same as the WHS Portal?

I've had a member asking why he is 18.7 on Club V1 and 18.8 on WHS. I've checked, and the two numbers are indeed different.

I think they have serious comms problems now. I changed a members HI on Dashboard and synched it to ClubV1. That was over a week ago. His handicap is still the original value on HDID, even after an (unanswered) email.

 

[nickjdavis]

I think they have serious comms problems now. I changed a members HI on Dashboard and synched it to ClubV1. That was over a week ago. His handicap is still the original value on HDID, even after an (unanswered) email.

I'd check that the change you made on the dashboard is still there. Every change I made directly on the dashboard got reversed overnight. Gave up trying.

 

[rosecott]

Most likely a simple / stupid question

I have access to the WHS Portal, as I followed the registration process provided by England Golf at the time. If I / the club want to give access to other Committee members, how do we give them permission to successfully register. Is it just a case of me adding a User Account and putting in their details, including User ID and password? Also, what sort of permissions do you recommend (I am wanting to give access to the handicap representatives in the Seniors and Ladies sections)

As I needed help in identifying issues that needed resolutions, I registered 3 committee members so that we could share sifting through players' records. I gave them maximum permissions but stressed to them not to try to make any changes as that needed to be under strict control.