WHS doesn't work

[nickjdavis]

Perhaps it is true that for matchplay there is no need for CR-Par. Perhaps this will be something to be considered in the 2029 changes.

But there is a case for Cr-Par in matchplay....when players play from different tees with different pars - most likely during mixed matchplay.

Also...the inclusion of Cr-Par can make a difference to the shots received by a player in a match played from the same tees. Even if the logical effect of Cr-Par is the same on both players, because it is applied before rounding it has the potential to make a players unrounded CH fall on one side of the 0.5 "rounding line" instead of the other. I've got a match coming up to be played in the next few weeks....yesterday I was giving away 11 strokes, today I am giving away 12. Its all due to the addition of Cr-Par before any rounding of CH takes place.

Yesterday (Slope = 124 , CR = 68.7, Par = 70)
Me: HI 9.8, CH = 9.8/113*124 = 10.7539 = 11
Opponent: HI 20.0, CH = 20.0/113*124 = 21.9469 = 22

He gets 11 shots

Today
Me: CH = 9.8/113*124+68.7-70 = 10.7539+68.7-70 = 9.454 = 9
Opponent: CH = 20.0/113*124+68.7-70 = 21.9469+68.7-70 = 20.6469 = 21

Whilst the inclusion of CR-Par has only reduced my opponents CH by one, because my unrounded CH is now below the 0.5 rounding mark, I actually lose 2 shots off my CH rather than one like my opponent, thus he now gets 12 shots.

(I know you said you understood the maths but others may benefit from it being laid out).

 

[IanM]

The two highest handicappers in our regular 4 ball now get one and two extra shots respectively in our matchplay games.

The guy who gets two probably needs them, the other guy certainly doesn't

That's life. Carry on everyone, nothing to see here!

 

[IanM]

I know you said you understood the maths but others may benefit from it being laid out.

Or it may just hurt your head.

I've not done any sums. I've just keyed my mates' HIs into the calculator to see what's different next Saturday morning.

I've also checked to see what I get in medals.

I don't care about the maths. What am I going to do with the information anyway? If I calculate it's wrong at umpteen places of decimal, then what? Can you claim what you think you should have?

I think I've gone all @wjemather about this. Use the app, go and play golf.

 

[Imurg]

I got a Handicap change email from EG early this morning..as you do when your index goes up or down....
It says I get 8 shots from the Whites, Yellows and Greens and 7 from the Reds....
Well...I don't..according to the system when I logged in for a card round this morning..
8 from the Whites, 7 from the Yellows and Greens, 6 from the Reds....
So they sent out duff information....pretty poor really if you ask me.....
Surely they must have set the system to provide updates based on the new calculation rather than the old......

 

[Viewer]

I got a Handicap change email from EG early this morning..as you do when your index goes up or down....
It says I get 8 shots from the Whites, Yellows and Greens and 7 from the Reds....
Well...I don't..according to the system when I logged in for a card round this morning..
8 from the Whites, 7 from the Yellows and Greens, 6 from the Reds....
So they sent out duff information....pretty poor really if you ask me.....
Surely they must have set the system to provide updates based on the new calculation rather than the old......

I’ve never had an email? How do you get that?

 

[IanM]

I got a Handicap change email from EG early this morning..as you do when your index goes up or down....
It says I get 8 shots from the Whites, Yellows and Greens and 7 from the Reds....
Well...I don't..according to the system when I logged in for a card round this morning..
8 from the Whites, 7 from the Yellows and Greens, 6 from the Reds....
So they sent out duff information....pretty poor really if you ask me.....
Surely they must have set the system to provide updates based on the new calculation rather than the old......

Looks like "update" email was initiated yesterday before the overnight changes. Just poor timing on your part... go and stand in the corner!

 

[Imurg]

Looks like "update" email was initiated yesterday before the overnight changes. Just poor timing on your part... go and stand in the corner!

Every Index update email comes through around 3 or 4 am...it has to be initiatedafter midnight....so after the new system came in.......
Not my bad timing....

 

[Imurg]

I’ve never had an email? How do you get that?

I thought it was standard..?
Index changes and you get an email notification next day...

 

[wjemather]

Every Index update email comes through around 3 or 4 am...it has to be initiatedafter midnight....so after the new system came in.......
Not my bad timing....

Many software updates wouldn't have been completed until 5 or 6 this morning - and a few problems are probably still being worked on.

 

[Backsticks]

I thought it was standard..?
Index changes and you get an email notification next day...

Have never received one. Maybe its a tickable option somewhere ?

 

[IanM]

Every Index update email comes through around 3 or 4 am...it has to be initiatedafter midnight....so after the new system came in.......
Not my bad timing....

No idea, I assume the email is sent at a certain time, but the data must be batched earlier....... but if I was working for them, there would have been a 48 hour embargo on all additional comms/emails etc

I'm reminded of a stand up row about with an IT Director about a change they wanted in on one of the busiest days of the year... he overruled me, and subsequently got fired two days later when it all went to rat-poo!

 

[IanM]

Many software updates wouldn't have been completed until 5 or 6 this morning - and a few problems are probably still being worked on.

And it was really clunky this morning as everyone signed on to see what had happened.

Credit where it is due... the new calculator is very helpful... although it would have been good if there was an option to "hide" some tees. But that's a minor issue...

 

[clubchamp98]

Have never received one. Maybe its a tickable option somewhere ?

On IG app theres a tick list in settings to enable email alerts for several things.

 

[wjemather]

Perhaps it is true that for matchplay there is no need for CR-Par. Perhaps this will be something to be considered in the 2029 changes.

Removing CR-Par for match play would only shift where the perceived anomalies occur.
You would have to use full rounded values until the difference has been calculated in order to eliminate the phenomenon.

 

[wjemather]

On IG app theres a tick list in settings to enable email alerts for several things.

@Imurg said it was an email from England Golf, not IG (or HowDidiDo or other ISV).

 

[Imurg]

@Imurg said it was an email from England Golf, not IG (or HowDidiDo or other ISV).

Apologies...just double checked and the email is from HDIDO....
Still flogging me duff info though.....

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The two highest handicappers in our regular 4 ball now get one and two extra shots respectively in our matchplay games.

The guy who gets two probably needs them, the other guy certainly doesn't

That's life. Carry on everyone, nothing to see here!

Correctemundo

If the way handicaps and shots are calculated today was the same as it ever was, there would be no discussion about what was then and what is now - and no debate and irritation that some are getting more or less due to minor changes in decimal pointage. It would be ‘it is what it is’ and we’d all just get on with it. So maybe we all just should.

 

[Swango1980]

I like WHS this long weekend, where my Index started on 9.1.

On Friday shot a gross 2 over par, best ever round at my "new" club (been hete over 2 years). Did lose a top 8 round, but Index still fell to 8.3.

Saturday shot average round in mid 80's, went up to 8.8. Sunday also mid 80's, went up to 9.3.

So, best round in years on Friday, but overall I got a nice little handicap increase over 3 rounds

Mind you, think I've "blown" it today, and I'll come down 0.5 by tomorrow

 

[Alan Clifford]

Have never received one. Maybe its a tickable option somewhere ?

I get one from HowDidiDo.

 

[clubchamp98]

@Imurg said it was an email from England Golf, not IG (or HowDidiDo or other ISV).

Double check always.

Didn’t think England golf did handicaps!