when will we ever learn ?

[williamalex1]

year after year with the influx of new members, some novices, but some are golfers with history , with their NEW. 3 card handicaps. [ with some exceptions ] come in with NET scores 60- 61s --IN THEIR FIRST 2 OR 3 COMPS.and win medals .
Should there not be a time limit set after getting a new handicap , like the plates for new drivers that just passed their tests, before they can win one of your clubs MAJOR comps. I know the guys have to take the handicap that given to them, but this happens all to often , and the player has to put up with all the comments that jealously brings . JUST AN IDEA WORTH TRYING MAYBE

 

[kid2]

year after year with the influx of new members, some novices, but some are golfers with history , with their NEW. 3 card handicaps. [ with some exceptions ] come in with NET scores 60- 61s --IN THEIR FIRST 2 OR 3 COMPS.and win medals .
Should there not be a time limit set after getting a new handicap , like the plates for new drivers that just passed their tests, before they can win one of your clubs MAJOR comps. I know the guys have to take the handicap that given to them, but this happens all to often , and the player has to put up with all the comments that jealously brings . JUST AN IDEA WORTH TRYING MAYBE

So what your really saying is that a new member that is after paying the same membership and green fees of existing members should not be given the right to use that membership to play in the clubs competitions all because the
handicap that has been given to that said individual is unfair to existing members...

Seems a bit OTT if you ask me....If im paying the same money as everyone else then i should have the right to enter as many competitions as i like.....Regardless of handicap.....

And as well as that isnt my handicap going to be cut if i win these said competitions....I dont see any point of it.....There are always going to be bandits at everyones club....Most have a fair idea who they are but there is never anything done about them.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The majority of our major (honour boards events) require at least three comp cards in to qualify. Think it goes back to a guy who joined, put three cards in and got 12 and then didn't show until these big events and won the first two playing to about 5. Coincidence? The club weren't happy and so they passed the three comp rule.

To be honest not sure what difference it makes. You can play like a plonker for these events get 0.1 and scheisters like this guy can then have a sudden change of form and still clean up. Still it made the tin pot bureaucrats happy

 

[williamalex1]

So what your really saying is that a new member that is after paying the same membership and green fees of existing members should not be given the right to use that membership to play in the clubs competitions all because the
handicap that has been given to that said individual is unfair to existing members...

Seems a bit OTT if you ask me....If im paying the same money as everyone else then i should have the right to enter as many competitions as i like.....Regardless of handicap.....

And as well as that isnt my handicap going to be cut if i win these said competitions....I dont see any point of it.....There are always going to be bandits at everyones club....Most have a fair idea who they are but there is never anything done about them.

im saying that it should take more than 3 cards to get a handicap . same as when you pass your driving test you don;t get a no claims discount right away , but still have to buy a car and policy

 

[DaveM]

I'm saying that it should take more than 3 cards to get a handicap . same as when you pass your driving test you don;t get a no claims discount right away , but still have to buy a car and policy

Don't see what the analogy to car insurance has to do with it. You don't get a no claims discount, because you have no time in behind the wheel.

For your H/c you put your cards in pay your money. Enter what you want. Whats wrong with that. Other than sour grapes from members that can't play to their H/c.

 

[Imurg]

im saying that it should take more than 3 cards to get a handicap .

So how many do you suggest?
Best of 7, best of 9..?

Theoretically, this could take most of a Season to gain a handicap - who's going to pay subs and put cards in for a handicap if they can't play comps for potentially 6 months...?

You'll always get Bandits.
There's little to stop a reasonable player putting in 3 cards of 90+ when they can shoot 80, getting a 20 handicap and cleaning up for a couple of months until the handicap adjusts itself. Yes It's cheating but these types are prevalent in every sport. They'll get found out eventually but there's not much you can do to stop it. Putting in 10 cards - same principle applies, it just takes longer....

 

[palindromicbob]

I think my club excludes first and second year golfers from majors. At least it used to. Things like captains day etc. As such first and second year pay less than full subs. Seemples.

 

[Scadge]

It only used to happen once in the old days and the committee at the time would use their discretion (hatchet) to apply general play cuts liberally. I got cut 8 shots as a junior and 2 shots for having the cheek to drive a per four in the good old days - didn't do me any harm - well actually might have made me a bitter and twisted old whatsit but perhaps they're unrelated

 

[pbrown7582]

there is the factor that a new member maybe has a winter break gets out on the course puts his first 3 cards in then adjusts to playing the course better and the rustiness of winter rubs off and hey presto hes playing loads better than handicap,
is there not provision under current congu rules to review after first couple of cards?

 

[pokerjoke]

I see where your coming from.
But golf is built on honesty,you will always get someone who
will put in three cards,with the idea of giving himself a buffer,
so he will have a chance in comps.
Sad i know,but the lure of money and prizes is just too much for some.

 

[DCB]

Initial handicap allocations can sometimes be too high. If the Competition Convenor uses all the methods at his disposal this shouldn't happen too often.

 

[duncan mackie]

well having been castigated by Bobmac for having anything like this in place (see other threads over last 2 days) it's good to see from Homer and Palindromicbob's posts that we are not alone!

do note that the handicap committee has a specific responsibilitiy to monitor new handicap allocations over their first few competitions - this can (and should IMO) result in those cards being considered as if they had been submitted for handicap and the initial handicap being adjusted to fit.

 

[bobmac]

well having been castigated by Bobmac for having anything like this in place (see other threads over last 2 days) it's good to see from Homer and Palindromicbob's posts that we are not alone!

do note that the handicap committee has a specific responsibilitiy to monitor new handicap allocations over their first few competitions - this can (and should IMO) result in those cards being considered as if they had been submitted for handicap and the initial handicap being adjusted to fit.

Apologies if i castigated you. it wasn't my intention but my beef is with the Congu making it more and more difficult and more hassle for h/secs to cut people who need cutting and even those who ask for it.

And as for people playing in club comps, be it minor comps or knock outs with inactive h/caps, it just makes a mockery of the game.

 

[Mike_j_golf]

There is a new thing this year in Ireland anyhow called excepitional scoring if u shoot 40 or more points within 10 rounds of one another u get an automatic cut of x more. It seems to be optional in England/Wales.
http://www.golfunionwales.org/2012-changes.aspx
Mike

 

[louise_a]

Congu will do an ESR for good scoring, I got a 2 stroke ESR after scoring 42 points followed by 5 under CSS the following week.

 

[williamalex1]

Don't see what the analogy to car insurance has to do with it. You don't get a no claims discount, because you have no time in behind the wheel.

For your H/c you put your cards in pay your money. Enter what you want. Whats wrong with that. Other than sour grapes from members that can't play to their H/c.

i would expect players to score near their handicap- but not 10 shots below it surely

 

[FairwayDodger]

When I joined my club last year I had played maybe half a dozen rounds of golf in the previous five years. I put three cards in as quickly as I could and they ranged from SSS+19 to SSS+21. I knew once I played more regularly I'd soon score better than that and discussed it with the handicap secretary who gave me an initial handicap of 16.

I still won the first comp I played in and a few others last year. My handicap fell from 16 to 10 by the end of the year.

You could accuse me of being a bandit but I'm not really sure what more I could have done. The only time I had an official handicap before was > 20 years ago and the lowest I got was 22.

What I *did* do was play in just about every competition I could and, in my opinion, my handicap very quickly became a true reflection of my ability.

 

[williamalex1]

When I joined my club last year I had played maybe half a dozen rounds of golf in the previous five years. I put three cards in as quickly as I could and they ranged from SSS+19 to SSS+21. I knew once I played more regularly I'd soon score better than that and discussed it with the handicap secretary who gave me an initial handicap of 16.

I still won the first comp I played in and a few others last year. My handicap fell from 16 to 10 by the end of the year.

You could accuse me of being a bandit but I'm not really sure what more I could have done. The only time I had an official handicap before was > 20 years ago and the lowest I got was 22.

What I *did* do was play in just about every competition I could and, in my opinion, my handicap very quickly became a true reflection of my ability.

i'm not saying that it's the players at fault for the handicap their given after 3 cards
. i think there must be a better way to find out a handicap thats a true reflection of the players ability. maybe by new members having to play playing a round with the club pro or h/c sec before handiap is finalised

 

[pbrown7582]

When I joined my club last year I had played maybe half a dozen rounds of golf in the previous five years. I put three cards in as quickly as I could and they ranged from SSS+19 to SSS+21. I knew once I played more regularly I'd soon score better than that and discussed it with the handicap secretary who gave me an initial handicap of 16.

I still won the first comp I played in and a few others last year. My handicap fell from 16 to 10 by the end of the year.

You could accuse me of being a bandit but I'm not really sure what more I could have done. The only time I had an official handicap before was > 20 years ago and the lowest I got was 22.

What I *did* do was play in just about every competition I could and, in my opinion, my handicap very quickly became a true reflection of my ability.

this is a perfect example of someone being as fair as they can and still winning and no doubt getting the bandit calls, dont think there is much that can be done for geniuine people and i have no problem with them its the trickster who play the system that cause problems although whichever system is used somebody will always cheat it.