beggsy
Journeyman Pro
Our Friday comp was was a qualifier only I shot a score of 37 points everyone else under 30 course is a par 69 why has CSS one to 68 was looking at a cut but only got buffer
Cheers beggsy
Cheers beggsy
What affects CSS
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HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
In basic terms it is based on the percentage of players in each category( exc cat 4) that shoot buffer or better. You need a table provided by congu to work it out exactly.
However, your CSS didn't go down as CSS is related to SSS not par and it looks like your SSS is 68 so for that competition CSS=SSS and 37pts is bang on h'cap.
Looking at your results on HDID from Friday, it seems there were only 4 entrants and 1 was Cat 4 meaning you were 33% of the field hence why CSS stayed equal to SSS as 33% of the field (you) hit the buffer.
That's my understanding anyway
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Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Basically as above but I believe it's playing within 2 of the buffer rather than just playing to buffer that matters....
louise_a
Money List Winner
its actaully within 2 or better than SSS
How is the CSS Calculated?
The CSS is a calculation based on the number of players in a competition. Those players differing abilities are given a differing ‘weight’ dependant on their playing category. Players who’s handicaps fall in to the higher group (4 for men and 5 for ladies) are disregarded for this calculation.
Firstly the number of golfers taking part on the day is divided in to home and visitor players. If there are over 20 players in both groups, then two separate CSSs are computed.
Then the players are divided into categories, and the higher ones disregarded. These numbers are then converted into percentages of the field and rounded to the nearest 10%. Then we count up the players that have score 2 over or better than the SSS of the course. This again is converted to a percentage. These figures are then compared to a CONGU table, this table gives us the number that the CSS will move. The CSS can only move one shot below the SSS but up to three above. The calculation cannot be worse than three shots, if it would have done, then the CSS for handicap down adjustments is set at SSS +3, but handicap increases are not allowed. This is called a Reductions Only Competition.
An example will be posted here soon.
pbrown7582
Money List Winner
Easy to get the initial feeling of being hard done by but once you look into the full procedure, it does all become clearer once you get an explanation as above.
MashieNiblick
Tour Winner
I think Hawkeye is right. It changed last year, in England at least.
EGU edition of CONGU UHS Guide 2012 - 2115 says.
“The most significant change is in relation to the calculation of Competition Scratch Score (CSS). Historically this has been based on the number of Category 1,2 & 3 players for men and Categories 1,2,3&4 for ladies who achieve a score of Standard Scratch Score (SSS) +2 or better. The probability of a player attaining this target varies with each category and consequently the mix of the field can have a distorting effect on the outcome. Analysis of scores over the past four years has indicated that using SSS+Category Buffer Zone would give a more appropriate result particularly for fields containing few Category 1 and 2 players. Accordingly the calculation will move to this new basis with effect from 1 January 2012 and Appendix B, Table A has been amendedâ€
EGU edition of CONGU UHS Guide 2012 - 2115 says.
“The most significant change is in relation to the calculation of Competition Scratch Score (CSS). Historically this has been based on the number of Category 1,2 & 3 players for men and Categories 1,2,3&4 for ladies who achieve a score of Standard Scratch Score (SSS) +2 or better. The probability of a player attaining this target varies with each category and consequently the mix of the field can have a distorting effect on the outcome. Analysis of scores over the past four years has indicated that using SSS+Category Buffer Zone would give a more appropriate result particularly for fields containing few Category 1 and 2 players. Accordingly the calculation will move to this new basis with effect from 1 January 2012 and Appendix B, Table A has been amendedâ€
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duncan mackie
Money List Winner
this is correct (for all CONGU Golf Unions); although with only 4 players there's also the Secondary CSS calculation phase for Small Fields i.e. 9 players or less – Clause 8.4. But let's not worry about that here as it will produce the same result
louise_a
Money List Winner
Looks like Club systems website needs updating!
Stuey01
Journeyman Pro
There was a big debate in the clubhouse yesterday about NR's affecting CSS and therefore handicap calculation for those that did return a card. Last 2 medals have been played in tough conditions with very high scoring. Lots of NRs in the last one and expected in yesterday's. One low handicapper was getting razzed because he has NR'd twice in a row.
I had a shocker and signed for my 97 and 0.1 back. (4 lost balls! What the hell?!?!)
I had a shocker and signed for my 97 and 0.1 back. (4 lost balls! What the hell?!?!)
MashieNiblick
Tour Winner
But going by my post there are no plans to change the new arrangements any time soon.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
what was being 'debated'?
a player who fails to return a card is treated for handicap purposes (his and the calculation of a CSS) in exactly the same way as a played who returns a card with a score outwith his buffer zone.
exactly the same.
MashieNiblick
Tour Winner
Yes indeed - yet another one of those strangely enduring rules/h'cap myths.
Stuey01
Journeyman Pro
Some fella (very vocal he was too) was convinced that the NR's did not effect the CSS, and that those NR'ing were in the wrong because of this "fact". If that's not the case then there is no basis for his point and he's just an ill-informed blowhard. As opposed to the others in the clubhouse (myself included) who were just mis-informed
