bobmac
Major Champion
If you found out their promises to improve the club/course were lies and they had stealing from the green fees, would you vote for them?
Voting tomorrow, is there any point?
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If you found out their promises to improve the club/course were lies and they had stealing from the green fees, would you vote for them?
CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
Come on, you have to answer mine as well!
If that was the case I would weigh up the options. If I felt that the benefits of them improving the club/course outweighed the theft of green fees (if we're doing this to scale, then we're talking a penny or so), then yes I wuold still vote.
If I believed strongly enough that neither could be trusted, as before, I would look to a third party. OR I would turn up to vote, and make a point that I couldn't trust either of them.
If I couldn't trust either, and didn't vote, then I would have no complaint about anything that happened at the course, including the theft of green fees, or the lack of course improvement. I didn't engage, so can't complain.
JT77
Tour Winner
It's my first time voting in Northern Ireland and I have no idea who to vote for.
I also wish total votes counted not the existing way with the most seats etc.
I know we had the chance a few years back not sure why it wasn't passed imo.
We are prabably going to end up with a coalition again this time it the party with the most seats might not be in power. Something about that just seems wrong to me.
I also wish total votes counted not the existing way with the most seats etc.
I know we had the chance a few years back not sure why it wasn't passed imo.
We are prabably going to end up with a coalition again this time it the party with the most seats might not be in power. Something about that just seems wrong to me.
bluewolf
Money List Winner
So they are proven liars, thieves, and accused cheats? I may be wrong here, but I would expect the Club to refuse to allow either to stand in that case.. However, if in this mythical golf club, they were allowed to stand, then I would ensure that someone more fitting would stand against them. If I couldn't find anyone else, then I'd stand myself...
PhilTheFragger
Provider of Entertainment for the Golfing Gods 🙄
No Bob, We would put you up as an alternative candidate
Back to the main debate, The last 8 letters of the word Apathetic sum it up for me
You have the right to vote, people have sacrificed themselves over the years to give you that right and it is simply wrong not to exercise that right.
There should, however,be a none of the above option, so those who dont like any of the candidates can make their protest known
Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
You can't compare the notion of abstaining in a political system with a straw man argument based on a hypothetical club that operates under an unknown constitution.
Do those who feel non-voters should have no right to a say in society realise that that is the same as only granting citizenship based on participation? You realise what that sounds like don't you? Hint: It's not a democracy.
Do those who feel non-voters should have no right to a say in society realise that that is the same as only granting citizenship based on participation? You realise what that sounds like don't you? Hint: It's not a democracy.
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bluewolf
Money List Winner
Whoa there sunshine... Hold yer Horses...
What is actually being said is that "If you don't vote, don't come and complain about what's happening later" You'll still hold all the advantages of living in a Democracy, you just won't have a legitimate box to stand on when you're in the Pub with your mates mouthing off that XXX has raised your VAT and introduced another level of bureaucracy to your Fruit and Veg stall...
bobmac
Major Champion
I wouldn't vote for either of them, it would only encourage them.
If I were to vote at the GE, I would like it to be an informed vote. I would examine the lies....I mean policies and study each lying, cheating scumbag..... I mean candidate at great length.
As it happens, I would rather poke my eyes out with a blunt lob wedge than waste my time doing that.
And as for those who churn out that old chestnut 'If you didn't vote, you cant complain', I put it to the house that it is the person who DID vote that shouldn't complain, after all it was you who put him/her there in the first place. At least if I didn't vote, my conscience is clear
If I were to vote at the GE, I would like it to be an informed vote. I would examine the lies....I mean policies and study each lying, cheating scumbag..... I mean candidate at great length.
As it happens, I would rather poke my eyes out with a blunt lob wedge than waste my time doing that.
And as for those who churn out that old chestnut 'If you didn't vote, you cant complain', I put it to the house that it is the person who DID vote that shouldn't complain, after all it was you who put him/her there in the first place. At least if I didn't vote, my conscience is clear
bluewolf
Money List Winner
Of course you are correct.. Instead of engaging in the debate, what you do is Turn your eyes away and claim that "it was nuffink to do wiv me Guv" . I mean, lets be honest, if you never try, you can never make a mistake..
Or, as a voter, I have a say in our Democracy. If I don't like what is happening, as an engaged voter, I have a right to say something about it..
Or, to put it another way, The elected officials can study the voting statistics and decide exactly which demographics they can ignore.. As a non-voter, they can quite happily ignore you as it doesn't matter what they do, you won't make any attempt to hold them to account..
bobmac
Major Champion
They might as well ignore me as I'll be ignoring them.
Anyway, I've said more than I normally say on the subject of politics so I shall bid you all good evening and happy bickering. :thup:
Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
So these non voters have no rights to participate in society. They are castigated as lesser citizens? Until when? The next time there's an election?
There are no horses to hold here. What you're suggesting is not a democracy. It's more like an aristocracy where only elite citizens are permitted to contribute in governance. It's the very thing we had the good sense to break away from in the UK.
CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
So these non voters have no rights to participate in society. They are castigated as lesser citizens? Until when? The next time there's an election?
There are no horses to hold here. What you're suggesting is not a democracy. It's more like an aristocracy where only elite citizens are permitted to contribute in governance. It's the very thing we had the good sense to break away from in the UK.
I don't see any ban on anyone voting, and just leaving it to elite citizens?
bluewolf
Money List Winner
So these non voters have no rights to participate in society. They are castigated as lesser citizens? Until when? The next time there's an election?
There are no horses to hold here. What you're suggesting is not a democracy. It's more like an aristocracy where only elite citizens are permitted to contribute in governance. It's the very thing we had the good sense to break away from in the UK.
Are you actually reading the posts you're reacting to? I have to ask as you have twice now completely misrepresented what is being said.. Maybe you are attempting to justify a standpoint you already have by taking partial comments out of context and reacting like a "Politician"....
AuburnWarrior
Tour Winner
I'll vote because people have given up their lives so that I may vote. It's the least I can do.
DanFST
Head Pro
There is always a point.
If your unsure just spoil your vote. No time for people that moan, but don't even bloody vote!
If your unsure just spoil your vote. No time for people that moan, but don't even bloody vote!
I will be voting because democracy was what my late father and uncles fought for in WW2. However I still don't know who for! I don't believe in any of the political parties, so probably the least bad option!
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
You can choose not to pay your Council Tax but will end up with a fine and ultimately in prison. Is that taking away their choice?
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No comparison at all.
Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
I can't see how you think it's misrepresentation? I disagree with the suggestion that non-voters should have their voice silenced. So I'm going to argue against the suggestion that non-voters "just won't have a legitimate box to stand on when you're in the Pub with your mates mouthing off". Because it's wrong. They have as much right as anyone else.
Freedom of political opinion is a fundamental human right and an attempt to remove, stifle or use it against someone is wrong and in contradiction of democracy.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Seems some don't want to vote and will then be the most vocal when the elected government (however that is made up) make changes that will affect the lives of everyone. As others have rightly pointed out, plenty have made huge sacrifices over the years to ensure we still have a democratic vote and I feel as strongly as many others here that there's an obligation for that reason alone to go out and vote. Whether you agree with any party or not I'd rather see people out and cast a spoilt vote than no vote at all
