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When I was still the US (6 years ago), I saw quite a few people wearing golf sandals......hot and dry during the summer. Probably something that would be considered gauche here.
 
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Just watched your latest video and started reading this thread from the start today as I am new to the forum this year. I did read parts of the WHS thread for information last year as a non-member and that's how I got interested in the forum as a whole.
I recognised the course straight away, as I have played it several times. I am interested in becoming a vintage clubs player as an additional part of my life-long hobby. I will still be intending to play serious competitive golf in parallel. I know you have been asked several times what qualifies as "vintage" and that the answer is not clearly defined. But could you pass some comment on a set of irons I have; Powerbilt oversize, I think possibly late 80s or 90s. I have the full set eleven of these, 1 to SW.
I intend to get some blades and wooden woods this year. My golfing memory starts from late sixties so I remember people playing with 1950s clubs back then. I will be looking for some Ping Zing or Eye 2 woods as these were the bees-knees back in the 80s and I'm sure I won't have any difficulty with them. The irons could be any of many I remember from the 50s, 60s or 70s. I won't rush in, but bide my time until something really good appears. I have a 1970s putter - Petron Impala that I bought second hand (fiver) in the 1970s - excellent condition.
What I would really like to do is come and have a look at all your stuff sometime this year, if you are amenable, to give me some ideas. I'll bring a few of my old ones for you to see.
Right, I'll get back to page 15 and continue reading. Very interesting stuff, thanks. pwrblt ovs.jpg
 
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Just watched your latest video and started reading this thread from the start today as I am new to the forum this year. I did read parts of the WHS thread for information last year as a non-member and that's how I got interested in the forum as a whole.
I recognised the course straight away, as I have played it several times. I am interested in becoming a vintage clubs player as an additional part of my life-long hobby. I will still be intending to play serious competitive golf in parallel. I know you have been asked several times what qualifies as "vintage" and that the answer is not clearly defined. But could you pass some comment on a set of irons I have; Powerbilt oversize, I think possibly late 80s or 90s. I have the full set eleven of these, 1 to SW.
I intend to get some blades and wooden woods this year. My golfing memory starts from late sixties so I remember people playing with 1950s clubs back then. I will be looking for some Ping Zing or Eye 2 woods as these were the bees-knees back in the 80s and I'm sure I won't have any difficulty with them. The irons could be any of many I remember from the 50s, 60s or 70s. I won't rush in, but bide my time until something really good appears. I have a 1970s putter - Petron Impala that I bought second hand (fiver) in the 1970s - excellent condition.
What I would really like to do is come and have a look at all your stuff sometime this year, if you are amenable, to give me some ideas. I'll bring a few of my old ones for you to see.
Right, I'll get back to page 15 and continue reading. Very interesting stuff, thanks. View attachment 36087
Always good to hear from other vintage golf enthusiasts!
Answering your queries in order:

Your Bower-Bilt irons - Power=Bilt were originally a Hillerich & Bradsby brand but the name was acquired recently by Hilco Streambank.
In the early days they were well respected but, like most American manufacturers, they got a little lost chasing the sales dollar, but perhaps not as badly as MacGregor or Wilson.
The Levelume and Scotch Blade are among their finest classic irons.
Power-Bilt don't show up very often in the UK as I don't think they had a proper sales outlet here.
I think your clubs are mid to late 1990s and are so just outside of what most people would consider as "vintage", they're also a cavity back and the few informal "Vintage/Classic" competitions that are held usually stipulate blades. Having said that though, a 1 to SW set is always a thing of pleasure so I'd say you should definitely use them!

Ping laminated woods are among the easiest wooden woods to hit, the heads are generally larger than other clubs of their time.

Petron are an interesting company, they were founded by Peter Shanks and Ron Goodchild in 1973. Peter was previously UK Sales Director for Wilson Sporting Goods during the late 60s and early 70s, he grew the business to be the 2nd biggest UK producer by the 1980s. He employed 25 PGA Pros and 100 other staff and specialised in made to measure golf clubs at a very early stage in that market.

As you can see from the purchases I've made, vintage clubs can be obtained for silly money, I'd be happy to answer any queries you might have on potential acquisitions.

Once things are back to a more normal footing I'm sure I could show you some of my clubs.
In the meantime, if you fancy a trial, we could meet up and I could bring another vintage set with me for you to use?
 
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I'm going to take the Powerbilts out on Monday then. And to get in the spirit, Ill have a Cobra F Speed driver with a 16 degree baffler hybrid of same make and year(ish) and a Ben Sayers Opel Line putter circa late 1980s. Usually play with Ping G10 and i10 stuff. I've been looking at the Ping woods - there are some on ebay right now. Also seen some Johnny Miller blades that look fantastic. Some really good blades for about £150, but I would love the satisfaction of getting something I'm comfortable with for about £40. The Johnny Millers might be a good compromise - faces and grips look OK. JMillers.jpg
 
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I'm going to take the Powerbilts out on Monday then. And to get in the spirit, Ill have a Cobra F Speed driver with a 16 degree baffler hybrid of same make and year(ish) and a Ben Sayers Opel Line putter circa late 1980s. Usually play with Ping G10 and i10 stuff. I've been looking at the Ping woods - there are some on ebay right now. Also seen some Johnny Miller blades that look fantastic. Some really good blades for about £150, but I would love the satisfaction of getting something I'm comfortable with for about £40. The Johnny Millers might be a good compromise - faces and grips look OK. View attachment 36093
I'd say that they're a little over-priced, although prices for vintage clubs have risen a bit over the last year.
The Johnny Miller Mk II came out in 1976.

I've just had a quick look on ebay and these look a great deal, woods included and it mentions a putter too but I can't see it in the pictures, the JN2000 model came out in 1973.
If there is a putter and it's the JN200 then it's a flanged blade style, picture below.
Collection only but I'm assuming that you're less than 50 miles from Solihull?
Can't see the grips but re-gripping is easy enough.
I think if you offered £40 you'd probably get them.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Full-Set...037612?hash=item596d40922c:g:5j4AAOSwRABgJYZy

Edit: Just spotted the putter, it looks like a plain brass headed blade, maybe a Golden Goose or similar.


 
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Thanks for the advice. The JN 2000 have similarities to my dad's ambassadors from 1970, (only the 2-wood has survived) so I would have no problem playing with them. They look very good condition in terms of the faces and hosels. A few days left so I'm seriously interested. What can you tell me about,
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mens-gol...459799?hash=item2b03bf4297:g:zA8AAOSwTQxgMm2Q
I like the 1,3,4 wood combination and a 2-iron. Only 10 hours left so might be worth a bid at £30.
 
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Walter Hagen clubs are good, a tried and trusted blade style that were made by Wilson in later years. The woods will be decent too.

I'll keep my eye out for that Ambassador style.
 
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Prices for vintage clubs do seem to have risen a bit lately but there are still bargains to be had.

The woods have lost some varnish and look a but tatty so will need a re-varnish at least to keep water out.
The grips are probably the original rubber ones and after quite a bit of play and then 30 years of storage they're almost certain to need re-gripping!
I buy cheap grips from ebay at around £1 or £2 a grip so they can be done for little cost.

Adding that up means that your £55 set will need a bit of tlc on the woods and all clubs re-gripping, but even having said that they're still a great bargain because classic club prices are so stupid.
There will be cheaper options out there for sure so unless you particularly want a set of Hagens I'd wait until something else comes up.
 
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