PJ87
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Only one from VW group? Isn't the galaxy and s Max still about?
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Only one from VW group? Isn't the galaxy and s Max still about?
GreiginFife
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Galaxy and S-Max both now being discontinued as of April. Last production runs were last November.
PJ87
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Ah got ya, interesting that the VW id buzz is bringing back the mpv in EV form
harpo_72
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I was looking at unloading the fiesta but it’s 64 plate 125bhp eco beast with 60k miles on the clock fully laden. Biggest benefit is £0 tax , free ULEZ, .. so I think replacing it would be mad as I would incur extra costs .. this might explain 2nd hand prices being so strong, anything under 99g/km , Euro 5 up is a very economical option.
New cars or cars after 2018 just have a few more extra costs on
New cars or cars after 2018 just have a few more extra costs on
harpo_72
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S-max was a really good vehicle for 4 adults and luggage.. as were the espace
Economic as well compared to an SUV
PJ87
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Check the tax for April 25 onwards they are changing
GreiginFife
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Their problem, like many MPVs is that they were ungainly, unattractive and suffered poor build and handling (relative to other options). Most manufacturers realised quite early that there was no real market for them.
PJ87
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This is very true
The juggernaut was a great car in terms of what it could carry but the wife hated it from day 1 due to the looks
Soon as we all fit in the Kia she said sell it
HeftyHacker
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I've always thought my SMax drove pretty well for the size of it seeing as it was based on the Mondeo chassis and with 210bhp it's a decent long distance cruiser with enough grunt to not frustrate you.
I realise that for you with your BMW M cars it probably handles like a tanker but it wasn't as bad as I was expecting coming from a Golf GTD.
Have to agree on the looks though, they're never going to turn heads (in an appreciative sense anyway).
All that said - the missus would shop it in tomorrow for an SUV
GreiginFife
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My experience of MPVs (not that it's a wide experience I will add) was in an S-Max and a VW Sharan, in both cases the suspension was, and quite rightly, set up soft so as to be a comfortable "family" ride. This, coupled with the vehicle height and surprising shortness, meant that, in both vehicles I have driven, the handling could only be described as wallowy and a bit worrying in corners.I've always thought my SMax drove pretty well for the size of it seeing as it was based on the Mondeo chassis and with 210bhp it's a decent long distance cruiser with enough grunt to not frustrate you.
I realise that for you with your BMW M cars it probably handles like a tanker but it wasn't as bad as I was expecting coming from a Golf GTD.
Have to agree on the looks though, they're never going to turn heads (in an appreciative sense anyway).
All that said - the missus would shop it in tomorrow for an SUV
I think it's like anything, you get used to it. You have had the S-Max for a while so it's just normal for you. Same way that my M340 is set up so hard that it's a spine adjuster, I'm used to it but my mate had a drive and his first words on return was "bloody hell, that's hard going". You'd probably hate it.
The 8 series strikes the balance better for me, it's not overly soft but neither overly firm. It's like it doesn't know what market segment it's been aimed at so just sits in the middle of the road and, IMO, that makes it a perfect long distance cruiser, a proper GT.
I might end up driving down for H4H in Sept, but as much fun as it would be, letting the 525 horses loose, I certainly wouldn't take the 340 on that journey.
Captain_Black.
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That date will be pushed back again in the future.
That is just a stick to encourage people to purchase an EV.
It's not having the desired effect though.
PJ87
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Did you not read the post another member made? Auto trader have seen a massive surge in second hand EV sales
Captain_Black.
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No I didn't read all the posts.
I suppose it comes down to what you believe is the truth when you read it, because the majority of what I've read recently says that EV sales are significantly down & are stagnating.
PJ87
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Yes NEW sales but as that article stats used sales are up 91%
So a 1% drop in new was it? Think on balance they on the rise
PNWokingham
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and if not enough people buy the new electric cars then the second hand market will change as there will not be enough used ones.
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Timely, as looking at buying an 18 month old car tomorrow. It's a chunky price, and diesel too, as I chug up and down dual carriageways for work every day of the week. Should get 4/5 years out of it and maybe electric is in a better place, or something better has come along.
Most important thing is the boot is huge so the golf stuff will fit with no issues!
Most important thing is the boot is huge so the golf stuff will fit with no issues!
PJ87
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Not entirely true. Lease for business use is huge due to tax reasons and they are the approved used
Plus the salary sacrifice, ours launches next year
GreiginFife
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I understand your internal bias on this, we all have them. But there needs to be some balance to this contextless post.
This is worded to imply that consumer choice is driving EV and Hybrid sales up, petrol down and Diesel towards the door. Whilst this will play a part, the reality is that the manufacturers are driving this consumer behavior by only selling configurations in that very order, oddly enough.
More cars on the current new vehicle lists are hybrids, and in that category are even beasts like the new Mercedes C63 which is a petrol/mild hybrid, but for vehicle type figures it's counted as a hybrid. Diesel, as you would expect is on the way out as less than 10% of all new cars manufactured carry a diesel powerplant.
Autotrader will, of course, be seeing a surge in something that is relatively new to a market place and in this he indeed misses a crucial point in this too, that the change in buyable options WILL inevitable filter down in to the used market. If I want a car, second hand, that is less than 3 years old then it's more likely now than ever to be a hybrid. . in 2001, Technics reported that most of the second hand turntables being bought in Europe were the 1200 Mk3, seemingly vindicating their decision to stop producing the legendary Mk2, but in reality it was always going to happen since the number of Mk3's entering the market over the last 5 years vastly increase.
Some of the opposite bias could imply that the volume of second hand EVs has rocketed because no one wants to keep them. See, it's easy to do without context to a claim.
I think we all, on either side of the divide, sometimes need to take a step back and think, does this kool-aid taste nice?
PJ87
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I fully agree, however I think the anti EV side need to step off the gas every time they see that "EV sales are down 1%" because don't believe everything you read.
It's almost like they are clinging onto the hope they ice cars will suddenly be fine and not phased out.
GreiginFife
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Car sales, like anything, will fluctuate with many differing factors.
I think most people have accepted that change is coming, they might not like it and, as with human nature, will rail against it. I’m sure there will have been something in your life you liked changed and you didn’t immediately embrace it. It’s fine, it happens to everyone.
But, and its a bit but, the EV side acting like they are the last hope and saviour is a bit odd too. We don’t know what technology will come along in the next few years that might have people demonise EV drivers as out of touch planet rapers.
Remember, just because an article or data set or infogram matches your bias, speaks to your opinion, it doesn’t necessarily make it right.
Critical thinking gets mentioned a lot these days and it’s a door that swings both ways.
I have a moderate view on both sides of the coin, I like some EV stuff and I dislike some.
