UKIP a change on the political horizon or not.

[bluewolf]

I was going to explain to Socket, the difference between Flagellation, necrophilia and bestiality, but then I figured that I'd just be flogging a dead Horse

so I didn't bother.

thats actually quite brilliant. You can tell you're not a UKIP voter

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I was going to explain to Socket, the difference between Flagellation, necrophilia and bestiality, but then I figured that I'd just be flogging a dead Horse

so I didn't bother.

Take a bow :thup:

That's very clever - you must vote Labour

 

[SocketRocket]

There are many reports/studies/investigations that show that this simply does not happen!

There are, however, several Newspapers that encourage the belief that it does!

Here's one of the reports http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/...sing_allocation_and_immigrant_communities.pdf

It also points out the public perception/media influence issue!

There are also reports/studies/investigations that say it does. One of the grey areas in some of these reports are that many people that have immigrated into the Uk have become British Citizens and been given social housing. These reports tend to miss these people out so give a false impression.


Here is another view:

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/7.15

 

[SocketRocket]

Lol. I'm wondering whether to explain that self-flagellation will not make you go blind, but then again, I'm not the one who thinks that you're thick 😉

Surely it depends on what is flagellated! I thought he may be sticking pins in his eyes

 

[SocketRocket]

This is the main reason why I detest rags like the Daily Mail that warps its reporting to pander to the prejudices of its, easily led, readers! The scary thing is that the DM is the 'newspaper' with the highest circulation! Propaganda is what it really is!

I come from a background where there were really no Daily Nationals - mainly because of logistics. The City based papers could not afford to really favour one side (left/right) over the other so actually reported/published pretty neutrally or 'both-sidedly' - allowing readers to make their own minds up! I far prefer that approach! I refuse to be told what to think - and am seriously suspicious of the motives of anybody (or any body) that attempts to do so!

No it's not!

 

[Foxholer]

There are also reports/studies/investigations that say it does. One of the grey areas in some of these reports are that many people that have immigrated into the Uk have become British Citizens and been given social housing. These reports tend to miss these people out so give a false impression.


Here is another view:

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/7.15

Where in that article does it say that immigrants have been given priority over locals?!

 

[Ethan]

There are also reports/studies/investigations that say it does. One of the grey areas in some of these reports are that many people that have immigrated into the Uk have become British Citizens and been given social housing. These reports tend to miss these people out so give a false impression.


Here is another view:

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/7.15

Where do you stand on tax dodging non-doms?

 

[SocketRocket]

Where in that article does it say that immigrants have been given priority over locals?!

By implication it suggests through the size of the waiting lists that many people that were born and grew up in the UK have not been allocated properties due to the number of people obtaining accommodation that came from overseas.

 

[Foxholer]

By implication it suggests through the size of the waiting lists that many people that were born and grew up in the UK have not been allocated properties due to the number of people obtaining accommodation that came from overseas.

Not good enough!

Does it say Immigrants get priority over born/breds? Yes or No!

 

[SocketRocket]

Where do you stand on tax dodging non-doms?

Why do you ask?

 

[SocketRocket]

Not good enough!

Does it say Immigrants get priority over born/breds? Yes or No!

Where did I say that? I suggested it said there were grey areas where data was not correctly collected. I believe Adey suggested that.

 

[Foxholer]

Where did I say it did?

That wasn't my question. Please answer it.
I repeat, Does that report say Immigrants get priority over born/breds - Yes or No?!

Perhaps you could come up with one of the 'many' that you state, that actually does state, with evidence, that they do!

And I think Ethan was refering to Viscount Rothermere - Chairman and majority shareholder of the Daily Mail who is a non-dom. I've no real problem with anyone using that legal facility. But it's total hypocrisy if the DM then harangues other legitimate UK tax reducing people or organisations!

 

[Ethan]

Why do you ask?

I am sure you know perfectly well.

As someone who appears to value Britishness and people paying their due, I expect there is a special loathing in your heart for those wealthy people who repudiate their citizenship for the sole purpose of dodging making a contribution to the country in which they were born and live.

 

[SocketRocket]

That wasn't my question. Please answer it.
I repeat, Does that report say Immigrants get priority over born/breds - Yes or No?!

Perhaps you could come up with one of the 'many' that you state, that actually does state, with evidence, that they do!

And I think Ethan was refering to Viscount Rothermere - Chairman and majority shareholder of the Daily Mail who is a non-dom. I've no real problem with anyone using that legal facility. But it's total hypocrisy if the DM then harangues other legitimate UK tax reducing people or organisations!

Regarding the article, I repeat for the last time! I never said it did. I will not reply to this again.

Regarding other reports that do, there are a number on the net so go look it up on Google, you seem to do that on just about everything else. And for the record I have not indicated I agree with them.

Regarding Ethan . He can speak for himself.

 

[Foxholer]

I am sure you know perfectly well.

As someone who appears to value Britishness and people paying their due, I expect there is a special loathing in your heart for those wealthy people who repudiate their citizenship for the sole purpose of dodging making a contribution to the country in which they were born and live.

Can only do that for 90 days of a year - including any part of a day (travelling).

That's what non-domiciled means after all - not living here.

 

[SocketRocket]

I am sure you know perfectly well.

As someone who appears to value Britishness and people paying their due, I expect there is a special loathing in your heart for those wealthy people who repudiate their citizenship for the sole purpose of dodging making a contribution to the country in which they were born and live.

I am not aware of that being a part of this conversation and have no particular interest in the subject. If you want to discuss it then start up another thread.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I would point out to you that you can use your best friend Mr Google to find articles on Tinternet to support any argument. Regarding the study showing a relationship between the politics of the right and low intellect I would refer you to the following thread that puts such study into a different context:
http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=5118

@MadAdy's point that a great number of people feel let down by the last few governments and have had enough of the imposed changes to their communities and culture. Traditionally when such things happen (or are even perceived to be happening as the high IQ corner on the forum seem to believe) people will look to the right for a solution. If it is in fact a problem of low IQ that is making such large numbers of the electorate vote UKIP then why were they not all voting BNP previously?

Some are blessed with more intelligence than others, or is it a blessing? Who knows! One thing I know with my minimal brain cells (and I have a lot of letters after my name) is that there are many academics who have very low levels of common sense and people with comparatively lower IQs that have lots of it.

I'd agree that you can get stats to prove anything, then you can get someone to prove that the stats you used to prove anything are not correct and actually prove nothing. Then no doubt you can get someone to prove that person is wrong.

In my role as a school governor I read an article the other day from a statistician saying that the main set of stats used to monitor schools are actually completely statistically flawed, and they are dangerous to use. And just about every school and governing body does use them. I did not actually understand a word of the article as it was deep stats (possibly I'm thick then ) but it was a bit worrying.

And much as I despise UKIP I think they have been politically clever and are riding the crest of a swing to the right across most of Europe. And have also got a bit lucky with my favorite The Daily Mail, plus other papers at times. As without wanting to argue about the rights and wrongs, it does act as a bit of a recruitment campaign for UKIP at times.

But hey, the public gets what the public wants, so let's see how it turns out at the election. And if UKIP get lots of seats maybe I'll just go underground.

 

[SocketRocket]

I'd agree that you can get stats to prove anything, then you can get someone to prove that the stats you used to prove anything are not correct and actually prove nothing. Then no doubt you can get someone to prove that person is wrong.

In my role as a school governor I read an article the other day from a statistician saying that the main set of stats used to monitor schools are actually completely statistically flawed, and they are dangerous to use. And just about every school and governing body does use them. I did not actually understand a word of the article as it was deep stats (possibly I'm thick then ) but it was a bit worrying.

And much as I despise UKIP I think they have been politically clever and are riding the crest of a swing to the right across most of Europe. And have also got a bit lucky with my favorite The Daily Mail, plus other papers at times. As without wanting to argue about the rights and wrongs, it does act as a bit of a recruitment campaign for UKIP at times.

But hey, the public gets what the public wants, so let's see how it turns out at the election. And if UKIP get lots of seats maybe I'll just go underground.

Thats correct, time will tell. We get the Government we deserve.

 

[Foxholer]

Regarding the article, I repeat for the last time! I never said it did. I will not reply to this again.

Regarding other reports that do, there are a number on the net so go look it up on Google, you seem to do that on just about everything else. And for the record I have not indicated I agree with them.

Regarding Ethan . He can speak for himself.

So you won't answer a simple question (we both know the answer!), but still say there are 'a number' that do show priority is given to immigrants, but aren't prepared to supply any links! Seems classic Daily Mail 'journalist' style to me! Certainly not a reliable argument, just propaganda!

Oh and make a CYA statement about not necessarily agreeing with them anyway!

Maybe you consider such statements propaganda too!

@Hacker You disappoint me! A far too reasonable (and reasoned) point of view! :rofl: The report I linked to was, however, one from a fairly authoritative body that had access to much more of the individual details than one that merely uses numbers.

 

[SocketRocket]

So you won't answer a simple question (we both know the answer!), but still say there are 'a number' that do show priority is given to immigrants, but aren't prepared to supply any links! Seems classic Daily Mail 'journalist' style to me! Certainly not a reliable argument, just propaganda!

Oh and make a CYA statement about not necessarily agreeing with them anyway!

Maybe you consider such statements propaganda too!

Groan! How about the BBC

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