UKIP a change on the political horizon or not.

[SocketRocket]

He's right though, UKIP is for the easily fooled.

Everyone says "Oh but what about the Tories and Labour, what about the Lib Dems, they are all the same, no this time we need change, so I am voting UKIP".

If you think UKIP are any different at all, then you mark yourself out as having a low IQ. A Wealthy toff, taking money from the EU, not working for a living, swanning about offering blame instead of policies, that's different is it? Get a fekking grip.

The nasty piece of work is laughing all the way to the bank with OUR money. And it's the moron voters that backed him we have to thank.

Thank for your expert opinion on UKIP and the gullibility of it's voters. I guess if your good-self and Ethan believe this then who are we, the great unwashed to believe otherwise.

As someone with a brain cell deficiency, can you please explain to me how voting for Labour would be a more intelligent decision and if the aforementioned party get into Government how their policies will improve the countries and indeed my lot?

I look forward to further enlightenment.

 

[bluewolf]

Actually, he isn't right. Unless you can provide evidence that all UKIP followers (of which I'm not one for what it's worth) have a "low IQ". I have no idea what reasons people have for supporting UKIP but don't assume that they are of low intelligence purely for doing so.

You feel free to assume away if it makes you feel better, probably says more about you than them though :thup:

Agreed.. However, it's put me on the same side of the discussion as Socketrocket... So I'm gonna have to go and self-flagellate on the lawn for an hour now...

Thank for your expert opinion on UKIP and the gullibility of it's voters. I guess if your good-self and Ethan believe this then who are we, the great unwashed to believe otherwise.

As someone with a brain cell deficiency, can you please explain to me how voting for Labour would be a more intelligent decision and if the aforementioned party get into Government how their policies will improve the countries and indeed my lot?

I look forward to further enlightenment.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Thank for your expert opinion on UKIP and the gullibility of it's voters. I guess if your good-self and Ethan believe this then who are we, the great unwashed to believe otherwise.

As someone with a brain cell deficiency, can you please explain to me how voting for Labour would be a more intelligent decision and if the aforementioned party get into Government how their policies will improve the countries and indeed my lot?

I look forward to further enlightenment.

Whether you agree with them or not, Labour and Conservative have a coherent set of well-planned and (generally) costed policies. UKIP do not, they have a lot of emotion and soundbites, they hate the EU and the gays but steadfastly fail to explain what their actual policies are. Their leader even claimed not to have read their manifesto at the last election.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Taken from Psychology Today, a must read for the professionally argumentative like myself.

Some scholars (for example Stankov, 2009) have argued that conservative political ideologies tend to be associated with lower intelligence on average. Conservatives generally value tradition, respect for authority, and social order, and tend to be leery of innovation and change. These scholars have argued that such values tend to be associated with cognitive rigidity and may therefore appeal to people who have difficulty with intellectual challenges that require them to process novel information. In support of this, Stankov (2009) cited evidence that people with more conservative views tend to score lower on IQ tests and to have lower levels of education.

An alternative theory, originally proposed by Hans Eysenck, is that higher intelligence is associated with avoidance of extreme political views in general. Hence, more intelligent people are thought to be moderate/centrist in their political views. The argument is that more extreme views, whether right-wing or left-wing, tend to be associated with dogmatism and rigidity, which are more appealing to less intelligent people. A recent proponent of this view is Rinderman who argued that more intelligent people tend to have civic values that lead them to support political systems they believe will foster education and the growth of knowledge (Rindermann, Flores-Mendoza, & Woodley, 2012). Hence, according to this view, intelligent people tend to believe that moderate/centrist parties are more likely to promote their particular social interests compared to more clearly left or right parties. In support of this, Rinderman et al. cite findings from Great Britain and Brazil showing that people who expressed support for centrist parties (including centre-right and centre-left) had higher average IQ’s compared to those who supported more clearly left or right parties.

So after using deliberately selective quotes from a long article I've proved UKIP voters are thick. Also one could argue if you replace the word conservatives with 'most golfers' in on the second line it would explain a lot

Nice one Hacker, insult everyone on this forum, well done, some of my best friends are golfers, well thank you, it's not a problem, same time next week.....

 

[SocketRocket]

Taken from Psychology Today, a must read for the professionally argumentative like myself.

Some scholars (for example Stankov, 2009) have argued that conservative political ideologies tend to be associated with lower intelligence on average. Conservatives generally value tradition, respect for authority, and social order, and tend to be leery of innovation and change. These scholars have argued that such values tend to be associated with cognitive rigidity and may therefore appeal to people who have difficulty with intellectual challenges that require them to process novel information. In support of this, Stankov (2009) cited evidence that people with more conservative views tend to score lower on IQ tests and to have lower levels of education.

An alternative theory, originally proposed by Hans Eysenck, is that higher intelligence is associated with avoidance of extreme political views in general. Hence, more intelligent people are thought to be moderate/centrist in their political views. The argument is that more extreme views, whether right-wing or left-wing, tend to be associated with dogmatism and rigidity, which are more appealing to less intelligent people. A recent proponent of this view is Rinderman who argued that more intelligent people tend to have civic values that lead them to support political systems they believe will foster education and the growth of knowledge (Rindermann, Flores-Mendoza, & Woodley, 2012). Hence, according to this view, intelligent people tend to believe that moderate/centrist parties are more likely to promote their particular social interests compared to more clearly left or right parties. In support of this, Rinderman et al. cite findings from Great Britain and Brazil showing that people who expressed support for centrist parties (including centre-right and centre-left) had higher average IQ’s compared to those who supported more clearly left or right parties.

Ergo UKIP voters are thick. Also one could argue if you replace the word conservatives with 'most golfers' in on the second line it would explain a lot

Nice one Hacker, insult everyone on this forum, well done, some of my best friends are golfers, well thank you, it's not a problem, same time next week.....

Well, what can I say to that! If Flores-Mendoza, & Woodley say I'm thick then I must be. What do they say about 'Monster Raving Looney Party' voters as I am coming round to their policies. Also so as I can stop 'Bluewolf' going blind

 

[Hacker Khan]

Also to selectively quote my favourite paper The Daily Mail

So right-wingers are stupid – it’s official. Psychologists in Canada have compared IQ scores of several thousand British children, who were born in 1958 and 1970, with their stated views as adults on things such as treatment of criminals and openness to working with or living near to people of other races. They also looked at some US data which compared IQ scores with homophobic attitudes.

The conclusion: your intelligence as a child correlates strongly with socially liberal views. People with low IQs tend to be more in favour of harsh punishments, more homophobic and more likely to be racist. Interestingly, as these were IQ scores measured when young this does seem to be a measure of something innate, not merely exposure to ‘liberal’ views through education.

The inference is that what we call conservatism is a symptom of limited intellectual ability, signified by fear of the new and of outsiders, a retreat into tradition and tribal loyalty, and an unsophisticated disgust at sexual mores that deviate even slightly from the norm. Put bluntly stupidity correlates with insecurity, hatred, pessimism and fear, intelligence with confidence, optimism and trust.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-depends-define-left-right.html#ixzz3GDodVKiP

And to be honest fostering insecurity, hatred, pessimism and fear is practically the UKIP manifesto.

 

[SocketRocket]

Also to selectively quote my favourite paper The Daily Mail

So right-wingers are stupid – it’s official. Psychologists in Canada have compared IQ scores of several thousand British children, who were born in 1958 and 1970, with their stated views as adults on things such as treatment of criminals and openness to working with or living near to people of other races. They also looked at some US data which compared IQ scores with homophobic attitudes.

The conclusion: your intelligence as a child correlates strongly with socially liberal views. People with low IQs tend to be more in favour of harsh punishments, more homophobic and more likely to be racist. Interestingly, as these were IQ scores measured when young this does seem to be a measure of something innate, not merely exposure to ‘liberal’ views through education.

The inference is that what we call conservatism is a symptom of limited intellectual ability, signified by fear of the new and of outsiders, a retreat into tradition and tribal loyalty, and an unsophisticated disgust at sexual mores that deviate even slightly from the norm. Put bluntly stupidity correlates with insecurity, hatred, pessimism and fear, intelligence with confidence, optimism and trust.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-depends-define-left-right.html#ixzz3GDodVKiP

And to be honest insecurity, hatred, pessimism and fear is practically the UKIP manifesto.

I'll set the dogs on you if you come around my patch with your perverted limp wristed moderate views.

 

[bluewolf]

Well, what can I say to that! If Flores-Mendoza, & Woodley say I'm thick then I must be. What do they say about 'Monster Raving Looney Party' voters as I am coming round to their policies. Also so as I can stop 'Bluewolf' going blind

Lol. I'm wondering whether to explain that self-flagellation will not make you go blind, but then again, I'm not the one who thinks that you're thick 😉

 

[Tashyboy]

Jampal you may well have a point but seeing as you questioned the Tory intelligance in the body found blog

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Liberal Elite? You mean intelligent people... surely you are not referring to the Tory government?


And then suggested. Tony Blair be ripped apart by chimpanzees in the Tony Blair Blog.

im not sure that your comment re UKIPs intelligent supporters carry much weight.

 

[Crazyface]

wel I thunk thaat you kip r reely grate and niijel farraj is a reely gud blok an wil wiin the next elecshun. So ner

 

[Tashyboy]

wel I thunk thaat you kip r reely grate and niijel farraj is a reely gud blok an wil wiin the next elecshun. So ner

Quality:fore:

 

[Hacker Khan]

Well, what can I say to that! If Flores-Mendoza, & Woodley say I'm thick then I must be. What do they say about 'Monster Raving Looney Party' voters as I am coming round to their policies. Also so as I can stop 'Bluewolf' going blind

To be honest some of them are as well thought out and costed as UKIP's, so probably a wise choice. So see how you get on here

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/whose-policy-ukip-or-monster-raving-loony-party#plmw79

 

[MadAdey]

He's right though, UKIP is for the easily fooled.

Everyone says "Oh but what about the Tories and Labour, what about the Lib Dems, they are all the same, no this time we need change, so I am voting UKIP".

If you think UKIP are any different at all, then you mark yourself out as having a low IQ. A Wealthy toff, taking money from the EU, not working for a living, swanning about offering blame instead of policies, that's different is it? Get a fekking grip.

The nasty piece of work is laughing all the way to the bank with OUR money. And it's the moron voters that backed him we have to thank.

Posts like this one make me wonder who the person with low intelligence is. People like you really do not see what certain members of the voting population want, UKIP have and are planning on exploiting them.

You have hard working people out there who fight daily to make ends meet. They see immigrants coming in who have never paid a penny into the system getting given housing and handouts. There are people who have been sat on housing waiting lists for months seeing immigrants turn up and get given one immediately. They see immigrants causing trouble and getting arrested.

Now this has been going on under Conservative and Labour governments, so there are people out there who feel the government is letting them down. But along comes a Knight in shining armour going by the name of UKIP, promising to stop immigration and give british jobs to british people. Kick out any immigrants who do not tow the line and put any that turn up at our borders in detention centres.

We all know this UKIP party is a load of crap, but people are going to vote for them out of protest, or because they see them as an answer to put the Great back in Britain. Does that make them people of low intelligence? No it just makes them desperate people looking for an answer to make life better, or just because they want to stick one up the main parties arses........

 

[ColchesterFC]

Lots of different posts about different groups of voters having low IQ's. Is this thread going to go down the same lines as the "How far do you hit the ball ones"?

I'll start us off. My forum IQ is 368 and I hit a 7 iron 320 yards (uphill into a 3 club wind).

 

[Foxholer]

And break the law. Surely 'None of the above' should be enough of a protest.

Eh? The Australian system allows for 'spoilt' or 'informal' votes. Nothing illegal about doing so!

And how could the counters determine for certain which was a deliberately spoilt return and which was accidental!

'None of the Above' would be far too tempting to actually have on the paper and would likely win most votes! Can you imagine the popularity of the 'None of the Above' Party? Led by Max Headroom?!

There are people who have been sat on housing waiting lists for months seeing immigrants turn up and get given one immediately.

There are many reports/studies/investigations that show that this simply does not happen!

There are, however, several Newspapers that encourage the belief that it does!

Here's one of the reports http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/...sing_allocation_and_immigrant_communities.pdf

It also points out the public perception/media influence issue!

 

[MadAdey]

There are many reports/studies/investigations that show that this simply does not happen!

There are, however, several Newspapers that encourage the belief that it does!

Here's one of the reports http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/...sing_allocation_and_immigrant_communities.pdf

It also points out the public perception/media influence issue!

Like you foxy, I known that it is a load of old crap, but there are plenty of people out there that don't. I'm just trying to point out how UKIP are trying influence voters. It isn't because they have a low IQ, they have seen and read too much about this subject and find themself believing that UKIP have the answers.

 

[SocketRocket]

To be honest some of them are as well thought out and costed as UKIP's, so probably a wise choice. So see how you get on here

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/whose-policy-ukip-or-monster-raving-loony-party#plmw79

I would point out to you that you can use your best friend Mr Google to find articles on Tinternet to support any argument. Regarding the study showing a relationship between the politics of the right and low intellect I would refer you to the following thread that puts such study into a different context:
http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=5118

@MadAdy's point that a great number of people feel let down by the last few governments and have had enough of the imposed changes to their communities and culture. Traditionally when such things happen (or are even perceived to be happening as the high IQ corner on the forum seem to believe) people will look to the right for a solution. If it is in fact a problem of low IQ that is making such large numbers of the electorate vote UKIP then why were they not all voting BNP previously?

Some are blessed with more intelligence than others, or is it a blessing? Who knows! One thing I know with my minimal brain cells (and I have a lot of letters after my name) is that there are many academics who have very low levels of common sense and people with comparatively lower IQs that have lots of it.

 

[cookelad]

I suspect they'll pick up around 3 or 4 seats come may, not enough to make a real difference but hopefully enough to make the big 2 and a bit pay attention realise, along with the 45% of those North of the border that voted yes a few weeks ago, that there are a lot of disgruntled people they're supposed to be representing!

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Lol. I'm wondering whether to explain that self-flagellation will not make you go blind, but then again, I'm not the one who thinks that you're thick 😉

I was going to explain to Socket, the difference between Flagellation, necrophilia and bestiality, but then I figured that I'd just be flogging a dead Horse

so I didn't bother.

 

[Foxholer]

Like you foxy, I known that it is a load of old crap, but there are plenty of people out there that don't.

This is the main reason why I detest rags like the Daily Mail that warps its reporting to pander to the prejudices of its, easily led, readers! The scary thing is that the DM is the 'newspaper' with the highest circulation! Propaganda is what it really is!

I come from a background where there were really no Daily Nationals - mainly because of logistics. The City based papers could not afford to really favour one side (left/right) over the other so actually reported/published pretty neutrally or 'both-sidedly' - allowing readers to make their own minds up! I far prefer that approach! I refuse to be told what to think - and am seriously suspicious of the motives of anybody (or any body) that attempts to do so!