TRUMP, What the hell is going on

[Hacker Khan]

And so we have yesterday evening at a Trump rally - the new "Lock her Up"? Unfortunately this is not unbelievable as it is exactly what Trump had intended - his core think as he says...no matter how unconscionable his and their behaviour seems to those who abhor racism.

https://www.theguardian.com/global/...back-as-donald-trump-attacks-ilhan-omar-video

Dems need to focus on Trump's relationship with Epstein and what Trump was up to with Epstein back then.

I think that unless a lot of his supporters are presented with incontrovertible evidence that he committed a pretty serious crime it will make no difference. And even then I imagine a fair few would still vote for him as the alternative of a 'communist' as president is too much for them. Similar here as I imagine the core voters of both parties will forgive their leaders for a lot as long to ensure Bojo/Corbyn do not get into power. Cult politics of fear, it's the way forwards.

 

[Hacker Khan]

If the Democrats have any sense they will focus on selecting the correct candidate to run again the Donald in the 2020 Presidential Election.

Anything else would be mental IMO.

Politics is mostly mental nowadays.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think that unless a lot of his supporters are presented with incontrovertible evidence that he committed a pretty serious crime it will make no difference. And even then I imagine a fair few would still vote for him as the alternative of a 'communist' as president is too much for them. Similar here as I imagine the core voters of both parties will forgive their leaders for a lot as long to ensure Bojo/Corbyn do not get into power. Cult politics of fear, it's the way forwards.

Epstein accused of crime that most would find abhorrent. Maybe in Trump Voterland a crime such as running a sex trafficking ring is viewed as not that terrible - no matter who's involved

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/15/...ual-violence-survivors-tuerkheimer/index.html

 

[Hobbit]

Epstein accused of crime that most would find abhorrent. Maybe in Trump Voterland a crime such as running a sex trafficking ring is viewed as not that terrible - no matter who's involved

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/15/...ual-violence-survivors-tuerkheimer/index.html

Add to that the guy signed a non-prosecution deal in 2008 for allegedly abusing underage girls. Thankfully he was later convicted of the offences and spent 13 months in a Florida jail.

Latest news is he's been denied bail because of a passport under another name found in his safe.

 

[ger147]

Epstein accused of crime that most would find abhorrent. Maybe in Trump Voterland a crime such as running a sex trafficking ring is viewed as not that terrible - no matter who's involved

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/15/...ual-violence-survivors-tuerkheimer/index.html

Trump's voters didn't vote for Epstein...

 

[Foxholer]

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Latest news is he's been denied bail because of a passport under another name found in his safe.

Amongst other compelling 'evidence' (reasons), such as his own private jet and several homes, at least 1 of which was not in USA!

Btw/FWIW That passport had expired!

 

[ger147]

Amongst other compelling 'evidence' (reasons), such as his own private jet and several homes, at least 1 of which was not in USA!

Btw/FWIW That passport had expired!

It also didn't help that his Defence team stated that he had never used the passport and then went sort of quiet when the Prosecution presented the evidence that it had been regularly used for all sorts of trips to and from several countries, including the UK... #oops

 

[Foxholer]

It also didn't help that his Defence team stated that he had never used the passport and then went sort of quiet when the Prosecution presented the evidence that it had been regularly used for all sorts of trips to and from several countries, including the UK... #oops

If that's correct, they are a bunch of idiots!

 

[spongebob59]

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-t...racist-send-her-back-chants-at-rally-11765940

https://twitter.com/x/status/1151935028961718277

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Trump's voters didn't vote for Epstein...

That is correct - they voted for Trump - a close friend of Epstein.

 

[ger147]

That is correct - they voted for Trump...

Thank you for confirming that the crimes of Epstein were completely irrelevant to the US electorate in 2016.

 

[Kellfire]

Thank you for confirming that the crimes of Epstein were completely irrelevant to the US electorate in 2016.

The character of a nominee is very important. Don’t pretend otherwise.

 

[ger147]

The character of a nominee is very important. Don’t pretend otherwise.

I'm not pretending otherwise, and while I have neither any affinity or sympathy for the Donald it's outrageous to link anyone (even Trump IMO) to someone else's serious crimes without even a hint of evidence. I'm sure Peter Sutcliffe had mates back in the day, doesn't make any of those guys serial rapists/murderers...

 

[larmen]

I think the Epstein scandal is likely bipartisan as Bill Clinton might also be involved. It is more a ‘rich guy’ thing than republican.

 

[Fade and Die]

I think the Epstein scandal is likely bipartisan as Bill Clinton might also be involved. It is more a ‘rich guy’ thing than republican.

100% correct, bet they are all part of the Bilderberg group!

(David Icke predictions coming true!😜)

 

[Hobbit]

Thank you for confirming that the crimes of Epstein were completely irrelevant to the US electorate in 2016.

I kind of agree with you but, equally, would ask the question about Trump's own behaviour and judgement. Countless people have had friends, acquaintances and work colleagues who have seriously broken the law but are totally innocent themselves of nothing more than knowing that person.

Epstein's behaviour and past crimes are well documented, but so to is Trump's behaviour, including a voice recording, around women. And with that in mind, just what are Trump's morals? Are they as bad as Epstein's? There's no past criminal record, nor a pending charge. Guilty by association? I prefer to deal in facts but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be surprised if Trump was found to have crossed the line.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I kind of agree with you but, equally, would ask the question about Trump's own behaviour and judgement. Countless people have had friends, acquaintances and work colleagues who have seriously broken the law but are totally innocent themselves of nothing more than knowing that person.

Epstein's behaviour and past crimes are well documented, but so to is Trump's behaviour, including a voice recording, around women. And with that in mind, just what are Trump's morals? Are they as bad as Epstein's? There's no past criminal record, nor a pending charge. Guilty by association? I prefer to deal in facts but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be surprised if Trump was found to have crossed the line.

There are some excruciating TV chat show interviews of Trump from the 1980s, that make plain his views on his relationships and interactions with the opposite sex. Yes - his views were received by the TV audiences present in the context of a very 1980s mindset - and so not unacceptable or inappropriate to be expressed as he did - but his thinking and actions were his.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Looking forward to hearing what Trump says in the statement he is to make later today about the terrible shootings over the weekend.

Especially interested to hear how he will (as he will) manage to distance the El Paso attack (which is evidencially an attack on Immigrants/Hispanics) from his pre-election 'What the hell is going on' and his recent 'send them back' rhetoric.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/03/us/patrick-crusius-el-paso-shooter-manifesto.html

 

[Hobbit]

Looking forward to hearing what Trump says in the statement he is to make later today about the terrible shootings over the weekend.

Especially interested to hear how he will (as he will) manage to distance the El Paso attack (which is evidencially an attack on Immigrants/Hispanics) from his pre-election 'What the hell is going on' and his recent 'send them back' rhetoric.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/03/us/patrick-crusius-el-paso-shooter-manifesto.html

Whilst I agree with you in that he is not a nice person at all, I'm not interested in what he has to say. He will spin, twist and down right lie about it, no doubt blaming others. Its repetitive and doesn't alter one jot my opinions of him and the situation in the US re gun laws.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Whilst I agree with you in that he is not a nice person at all, I'm not interested in what he has to say. He will spin, twist and down right lie about it, no doubt blaming others. Its repetitive and doesn't alter one jot my opinions of him and the situation in the US re gun laws.

I agree but do think it matters what he says (or doesn't say) and our governments response.

Plenty of folks in the UK just love him and what he is to for/to the USA; his rhetoric and actions fit easily with the thinking of too many in this country. He should be called out on what he says and does; much of what he says in respect of immigrants (the issue is valid) is unacceptable and should never be allowed to become acceptable here. Our government should not be afraid to call 'foul' when his words or actions (or lack of them) go over the line into what we in this country have traditionally viewed as unacceptable - if his views take hold here we risk corrupting that which is core to what is held dear about 'Britishness'.

We should be wary of getting too close to him - 'He who sups with the Devil should have a long spoon' seems so very apt for Johnson looking to make deals with Trump.