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Trouble at the Euros

Lets be honest, we set the bar back in the 70 and 80's, so now we have a leagcy to deal with..and that is plenty of euro thugs want to have a go at our idiots. The trouble is, no matter where in the World you go the Brits/English are always the ones acting the oafs, getting loud, drunk, being ignorant and obnoxious.
Ironic that whilst we have a referendum with a possible Brexit, perhaps Europe should have one as well.....
 
Snelly said:
The English fans are behaving as they are because they love it. They get a kick from getting hammered, singing boorish, aggressive songs, leering at any passing girls, antagonising the police, facing off with the locals and if there is a chance of a ruck - happy days. They are the worst of England personified. Tribal trash that are happiest when behaving badly and upsetting everyone around them.

Hardly anyone is caught up with these scumbags by accident. Avoiding all this grief is not rocket science - just find a quiet part of the town away from the knob heads, have a nice dinner and a couple of beers with your friends, find a late night bar and put the world to rights.

Doesn't happen with other sports, doesn't happen at other major events. The English (British) and the Russians are at the Olympics every four years but you don't get any of this. The reason being that a football tournament is just a mechanism for utterly horrible white blokes to get together and behave like they are in an anarchic world for a couple of weeks.

The French police are not at fault. They are trying to control a crowd that feels it does not have to conform to the rules of everyday life.

If England and Russia get thrown out of the tournament, I will not be sorry. It is a fitting punishment for the upset that the fans are causing and it may tempt the various authorities involved with English football in particular to sort the problem out. Travel bans, passport confiscation, custodial sentences and so on.

You cannot educate a turd. They only understand simple, harsh punishments.
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Hard to disagree with any of this, well summed up. As you say, football tournaments are the only ones that seems to attract this type of behaviour.
 
Fish said:
I had a call just after midnight from a friend over there who was in a bar that was charged by the police, they were all (both England & Welsh, mainly Cardiff who joined them) sitting inside & outside sitting drinking, singing, flags hanging etc, no bottle or glass throwing or any evidence of it anywhere, shoppers walking past without any worries, then a flash grenade (as used in the forces) was thrown into the bar from Russian Ultra's, around 12 of them, a small amount of police (8) were nearby and witnessed it and did nothing!, the 12 Ultra's made their getaway and moments later 50+ French police turned up and sent teargas straight into the bar to disperse it forcing the fans into the streets!? Word then got around that the Russians were spotted and a pursuit followed with the police in tow, the standoff was the Russians BEHIND the line of police and the England & Welsh fans confronting them, the Russians now were heavily outnumbered and were throwing bottles & glasses OVER the police line into the English/Welsh crowd. Closing lots of bars didn't help IMO as it forces everyone into the streets and you start wandering, the Germans are much better than this now, at last, they almost assign you a square with various bars in etc and police the entry/exits into it so you have everything you want and are contained, the opposition fans have similar, a bit like our home & away pubs as such.

I'm not saying that everyone is innocent in this, far from it, what I am saying though is that there is some very selective journalism which doesn't want to openly criticise the French police for heavy handed tactics who are facing off bars when fans are contained only to teargas them without provocation, unless they don't like their singing and subsequently force them into the streets to create running skirmishes, that's just very poor tactics IMO!
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Bang on.

The CRS still think that how to manage crowds is at the point of a baton (which it sometimes is), instead of "managing" crowds instead.

As you say, giving designated zones, policing entry and exit points etc and keeping them IN the bars is better than roving groups of mixed nationalities.:thup:
 
I really do wish the English football hooligans would stop singing the British national anthem when abroad.

Fair play to the Irish for setting a good example with the street cleaning.

Loved the Icelandair advert appealing to the Tartan Army to join the Viking Army.

'We have a great team and no supporters, you have great supporters and no team'.:lol:
 
Judging by this thread, I'm glad that the Scottish forum members have found something to do whilst the Euro's is on. Some world class finger pointing going on... :D
 
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bluewolf said:
And the ones stirring the pot are the usual WUM's that are currently infecting this forum. Taking morality lessons from Scottish football fans is slightly ironic.
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I think you will find that the Scottish national team fans are welcomed throughout the world.

Don't think the same can be said for the English national team fans, which is a shame for the majority who then get tarred with the same brush.
 
Farneyman said:
I think you will find that the Scottish national team fans are welcomed throughout the world.

Don't think the same can be said for the English national team fans, which is a shame for the majority who then get tarred with the same brush.
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How would we know?

Whats happening in France is disgraceful. Anyone who can't watch a game without resorting to violence, either at Club or National level, is a thug and a moron. In 30 years of watching football I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of "skirmishes" I've been caught up in. None in the last 10 years.
However, certain people on here taking the moral high ground need to take a long hard look in their own backyard before pointing fingers.
 
bluewolf said:
However, certain people on here taking the moral high ground need to take a long hard look in their own backyard before pointing fingers.
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Not sure what you mean by this???

Don't think the issue in at the games but the days and hours leading up to and after that seem to cause the issue so it doesn't surprise me you don't see any there.

You can't deny the footage we are seeing nearly every day though

I would hazard a guess that the real fans in the stadium are there for the football.
 
Farneyman said:
Not sure what you mean by this???

Don't think the issue in at the games but the days and hours leading up to and after that seem to cause the issue so it doesn't surprise me you don't see any there.

You can't deny the footage we are seeing nearly every day though

I would hazard a guess that the real fans in the stadium are there for the football.
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I'm denying nothing. I don't know the full story, but then nor does anyone on here. If it keeps kicking off, and England are thrown out, then I'll have no complaints. I'm just getting a bit annoyed by certain WUM's who are using this as a stick to once again have a go at the English.

The England/Scotland rivalry on here is pathetic. Every Scot I've played with from this forum has been an absolute gent/lady. I can't seem to get my head round the fact that when you put a keyboard in front of some people they turn into Mike bloody Tyson.
 
Can't be bothered to read any of this thread as I know it'll be a mixture of blaming the English and a deluded few banging on about how they're "just having fun" and "only reacting", some deluded idiots will no doubt blame " the local policing"

Yawn

Yawn
Yawn.

Bottom line is, speaking as an Englishman, who just happens to be living in a European tourist destination, it's simple : the young English tourists are the closest thing to scum in all of Europe.

We are the most drunk. We are the most obnoxious. We swear the loudest. We show the least respect. We urinate all over the place. And that's just normal young people.

These English "fans" who are getting gassed, water cannoned, attached etc, don't get it for no reason. They get it because they are loud, obnoxious, drunk, abusive, scumbags and they shame and embarrass our name all over the world.

Problem, is, they don't realise they are scum.

They think that shirtless, loud, drunk, swearing afternoons are acceptable in foreign countries, problem is, they are wrong.

Normal people don't throw chairs and tables and ruin other people's businesses, normal people don't sing aggressive anti IRA and World War 2 songs, they don't intimidate passers by, the scum don't realise that.

No sympathy.
 
Three said:
Can't be bothered to read any of this thread as I know it'll be a mixture of blaming the English and a deluded few banging on about how they're "just having fun" and "only reacting", some deluded idiots will no doubt blame " the local policing"

Yawn

Yawn
Yawn.

Bottom line is, speaking as an Englishman, who just happens to be living in a European tourist destination, it's simple : the young English tourists are the closest thing to scum in all of Europe.

We are the most drunk. We are the most obnoxious. We swear the loudest. We show the least respect. We urinate all over the place. And that's just normal young people.

These English "fans" who are getting gassed, water cannoned, attached etc, don't get it for no reason. They get it because they are loud, obnoxious, drunk, abusive, scumbags and they shame and embarrass our name all over the world.

Problem, is, they don't realise they are scum.

They think that shirtless, loud, drunk, swearing afternoons are acceptable in foreign countries, problem is, they are wrong.

Normal people don't throw chairs and tables and ruin other people's businesses, normal people don't sing aggressive anti IRA and World War 2 songs, they don't intimidate passers by, the scum don't realise that.

No sympathy.
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What a wonderful refreshing view.

England's shame.
 
bluewolf said:
How would we know?

Whats happening in France is disgraceful. Anyone who can't watch a game without resorting to violence, either at Club or National level, is a thug and a moron. In 30 years of watching football I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of "skirmishes" I've been caught up in. None in the last 10 years.
However, certain people on here taking the moral high ground need to take a long hard look in their own backyard before pointing fingers.
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How many fingers on that Wigan hand, Dan?:D
 
Three said:
Can't be bothered to read any of this thread as I know it'll be a mixture of blaming the English and a deluded few banging on about how they're "just having fun" and "only reacting", some deluded idiots will no doubt blame " the local policing"

Yawn

Yawn
Yawn.

Bottom line is, speaking as an Englishman, who just happens to be living in a European tourist destination, it's simple : the young English tourists are the closest thing to scum in all of Europe.

We are the most drunk. We are the most obnoxious. We swear the loudest. We show the least respect. We urinate all over the place. And that's just normal young people.

These English "fans" who are getting gassed, water cannoned, attached etc, don't get it for no reason. They get it because they are loud, obnoxious, drunk, abusive, scumbags and they shame and embarrass our name all over the world.

Problem, is, they don't realise they are scum.

They think that shirtless, loud, drunk, swearing afternoons are acceptable in foreign countries, problem is, they are wrong.

Normal people don't throw chairs and tables and ruin other people's businesses, normal people don't sing aggressive anti IRA and World War 2 songs, they don't intimidate passers by, the scum don't realise that.

No sympathy.
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Agree with most of that, as I also have no sympathy for the boorish England fans, but that still doesnt mean that you cant comment on UEFA and the local police's very poor choices, without being an idiot.

You seem to have the obnoxiousness of an Ingurland fan abroad.
 
Farneyman said:
I think you will find that the Scottish national team fans are welcomed throughout the world.

Don't think the same can be said for the English national team fans, which is a shame for the majority who then get tarred with the same brush.
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Well said, some folk on here just see things through rose tinted glasses & can't see what is really going on.
 
Farneyman said:
I think you will find that the Scottish national team fans are welcomed throughout the world.

Don't think the same can be said for the English national team fans, which is a shame for the majority who then get tarred with the same brush.
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I'm just pissed off that the next time I'm in France I'll need to use my limited knowlege of French to explain that I'm Scottish, not English. :angry:
 
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