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Trouble at the Euros

Hickory_Hacker said:
I'd be surprised if he missed this, hes pretty much a rash over a few forums. You know when you hear folk saying 'you just couldn't make it up' well that's just exactly what he does! 31 thousand posts, he's the biggest contributor on here to Paracetamol sales. 🙄🔫
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If you read back you will find that I responded to PJ post - it shouldn't be too hard to find

Maybe you could respond to the question of why you find it funny that a players wife was subjected to tear gas ?

I also do worry how someone has a bit of an obsession with me and on other forums ? You appear to have an issue
 
At it again by the sounds of it but I don't know how bad it is. I heard on the radio, a large group of England fans were camped outside cafes right across from the Metro station where Russia fans would arrive from their game.
 
I had a call just after midnight from a friend over there who was in a bar that was charged by the police, they were all (both England & Welsh, mainly Cardiff who joined them) sitting inside & outside sitting drinking, singing, flags hanging etc, no bottle or glass throwing or any evidence of it anywhere, shoppers walking past without any worries, then a flash grenade (as used in the forces) was thrown into the bar from Russian Ultra's, around 12 of them, a small amount of police (8) were nearby and witnessed it and did nothing!, the 12 Ultra's made their getaway and moments later 50+ French police turned up and sent teargas straight into the bar to disperse it forcing the fans into the streets!? Word then got around that the Russians were spotted and a pursuit followed with the police in tow, the standoff was the Russians BEHIND the line of police and the England & Welsh fans confronting them, the Russians now were heavily outnumbered and were throwing bottles & glasses OVER the police line into the English/Welsh crowd. Closing lots of bars didn't help IMO as it forces everyone into the streets and you start wandering, the Germans are much better than this now, at last, they almost assign you a square with various bars in etc and police the entry/exits into it so you have everything you want and are contained, the opposition fans have similar, a bit like our home & away pubs as such.

I'm not saying that everyone is innocent in this, far from it, what I am saying though is that there is some very selective journalism which doesn't want to openly criticise the French police for heavy handed tactics who are facing off bars when fans are contained only to teargas them without provocation, unless they don't like their singing and subsequently force them into the streets to create running skirmishes, that's just very poor tactics IMO!
 
Similar critisism was aimed at the French police last weekend about poor operational Tatics. You would off thought with all the practice they get they would be dab hands at crowd control by now! ;)
 
pbrown7582 said:
Similar critisism was aimed at the French police last weekend about poor operational Tatics. You would off thought with all the practice they get they would be dab hands at crowd control by now! ;)
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You don't tend to see the Germans now, they will sit in side streets in numbers just out of view but close enough to react if needed, these French police have lined themselves up outside facing the bar/s all suited and booted and then out of the blue will throw teargas in, as I've stated, I'm not supporting the actions of some who react badly, but with copious amounts of alcohol in you why would you want to antagonise a group of drunken fans by facing them off and then closing the bar/s forcing them to roam the streets, it's very poor policing IMO.
 
The English fans are behaving as they are because they love it. They get a kick from getting hammered, singing boorish, aggressive songs, leering at any passing girls, antagonising the police, facing off with the locals and if there is a chance of a ruck - happy days. They are the worst of England personified. Tribal trash that are happiest when behaving badly and upsetting everyone around them.

Hardly anyone is caught up with these scumbags by accident. Avoiding all this grief is not rocket science - just find a quiet part of the town away from the knob heads, have a nice dinner and a couple of beers with your friends, find a late night bar and put the world to rights.

Doesn't happen with other sports, doesn't happen at other major events. The English (British) and the Russians are at the Olympics every four years but you don't get any of this. The reason being that a football tournament is just a mechanism for utterly horrible white blokes to get together and behave like they are in an anarchic world for a couple of weeks.

The French police are not at fault. They are trying to control a crowd that feels it does not have to conform to the rules of everyday life.

If England and Russia get thrown out of the tournament, I will not be sorry. It is a fitting punishment for the upset that the fans are causing and it may tempt the various authorities involved with English football in particular to sort the problem out. Travel bans, passport confiscation, custodial sentences and so on.

You cannot educate a turd. They only understand simple, harsh punishments.
 
Fish said:
I had a call just after midnight from a friend over there who was in a bar that was charged by the police, they were all (both England & Welsh, mainly Cardiff who joined them) sitting inside & outside sitting drinking, singing, flags hanging etc, no bottle or glass throwing or any evidence of it anywhere, shoppers walking past without any worries, then a flash grenade (as used in the forces) was thrown into the bar from Russian Ultra's, around 12 of them, a small amount of police (8) were nearby and witnessed it and did nothing!, the 12 Ultra's made their getaway and moments later 50+ French police turned up and sent teargas straight into the bar to disperse it forcing the fans into the streets!? Word then got around that the Russians were spotted and a pursuit followed with the police in tow, the standoff was the Russians BEHIND the line of police and the England & Welsh fans confronting them, the Russians now were heavily outnumbered and were throwing bottles & glasses OVER the police line into the English/Welsh crowd. Closing lots of bars didn't help IMO as it forces everyone into the streets and you start wandering, the Germans are much better than this now, at last, they almost assign you a square with various bars in etc and police the entry/exits into it so you have everything you want and are contained, the opposition fans have similar, a bit like our home & away pubs as such.

I'm not saying that everyone is innocent in this, far from it, what I am saying though is that there is some very selective journalism which doesn't want to openly criticise the French police for heavy handed tactics who are facing off bars when fans are contained only to teargas them without provocation, unless they don't like their singing and subsequently force them into the streets to create running skirmishes, that's just very poor tactics IMO!
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I have friends that have gone and this is a similar story to what they've said.

English fans will forever get the blame but most I'd say are there for the football. The only thing I will say is I don't understand why they don't go away from the main square/area's where trouble will be. Couple of mates stayed away from the main area's and had a great time, seeing no trouble at all.
 
Marshy77 said:
I have friends that have gone and this is a similar story to what they've said.

English fans will forever get the blame but most I'd say are there for the football. The only thing I will say is I don't understand why they don't go away from the main square/area's where trouble will be. Couple of mates stayed away from the main area's and had a great time, seeing no trouble at all.
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After several trips you get to know when its time to move away from the crowd to save any aggravation. as you point out if you want to avoid trouble you can do.
 
Marshy77 said:
I have friends that have gone and this is a similar story to what they've said.

English fans will forever get the blame but most I'd say are there for the football. The only thing I will say is I don't understand why they don't go away from the main square/area's where trouble will be. Couple of mates stayed away from the main area's and had a great time, seeing no trouble at all.
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A group of guys from golf club have gone and they haven't been involved in anything because they have stayed away from the areas they know will have the trouble

The fans know something will happen hence why some hang around those parts - they are waiting for it to kick off so they can get stuck in - regardless of who starts it etc - I expect a number have waited for years to go and enjoy a bit of trouble and some carrying on legacy of mates or family members who are banned from travelling due to previous incidents

You only have to look at the videos of the Irish fans to see how you can go to a tournament and behave respectfully whilst still enjoying yourself
 
pbrown7582 said:
After several trips you get to know when its time to move away from the crowd to save any aggravation. as you point out if you want to avoid trouble you can do.
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It's the same when going to any match, you know when something's going to kick off so get away from it. I can understand England fans wanting to be in the main area's but if you are then be prepared for potential trouble.
 
Marshy77 said:
I have friends that have gone and this is a similar story to what they've said.

English fans will forever get the blame but most I'd say are there for the football. The only thing I will say is I don't understand why they don't go away from the main square/area's where trouble will be. Couple of mates stayed away from the main area's and had a great time, seeing no trouble at all.
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But the opposite can also happen, and has, in that, a smaller group drinks further away and then gets attacked and are totally isolated, this happen many time in Marseille and also yesterday in Lilles where women were even kicked with their English partners by Russians simply walking around taking in the sights! Sometimes it's better to stay connected to the main body and break away at the last minute if it goes off!!

Remember the Leeds fans in a quiet bar abroad!
 
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