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Tigers on the mend...

Liverpoolphil said:
...and there certainly a lot of characters in the game that attracted people - Seve being a big one.
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Very similar importance to the game in my opinion.

Both were the influence for a lot of players to take up the game.
Both wonderful short games
Both brilliant imaginations
Neither could hit a fairway to save their lives
Both courted controversy
Both trailblazers
 
Slab said:
Because its an ironic analogy given your desire to see the 'bigger picture' in golf at Tigers unfortunate expense while perhaps (if we're honest) not wishing the disproportionate Liverpool coverage to be curtailed by some misfortune or other
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Think you will need to go away and check facts before posting statements like that

Football coverage is vastly different - vastly. There is zero relevance
 
What a sad place this forum has become... A simple thread turned into a load of crap again by people who are odbviously obsessed by Tiger Woods so much that they spend day and night posting constant rubbish on any thread associated with the guy :blah:
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I could suggest that it's only must watch TV for those who watch these days and didn't before due to the explosion of internet and TV gambling - maybe just maybe increased viewing figures are diddly squat to do with Tiger and more to do with gambling.

As far as golf being a fringe sport - hmmm - are you telling me it's different or more popular today than pre-Tiger.
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as as ive only really watched golf from when woods has been around I can't relate to days of yonder when all was right with the players being role models etc etc. But coverage has increased since he came around. Skytv is a business, they show it and pay obscene amount for the coverage because he made it more popular. I'm not saying this makes him more or less loveable as a player. But there have been plenty of players that have acknowledged that he has shaped the game and the lavish lifestyles no afforded to them. Granted if he hadn't shown up, someone may have. But I can't think of anyone in the last 15 years that has been good enough to have dominated had he not been here.

Mickleson is arguably the second best since woods arrival, but with his cavalier (and very exciting) approach to the game he has runs bth hit and cold. Woods when on top had such an aura that players simple fell away through pressure.

This discussion is a bit like the rooney one where people's opinions of him take into account his personality. Which is all well and good as a fan. But being objective, I find it ridiculous when people say his effect on the game hasn't been anything short if game changing.


Re the op. I'm glad he is back, ott coverage aside, I generally belive the players still enjoy being able to say they beat Woods! Some may not consider the best anymore. But he's still a nice target for them to check of their list.
 
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This is all so predictable. One mention of Tiger, regardless of the subject matter and it's the same debate, every time.
 
I'll be glad to see him back, but him not playing doesnt make any odds to me either.

As for the 7 odd pages I havent read, some forumers could start a fight in an empty room and just enjoy tit for tat BS.
 
guest100718 said:
I'll be glad to see him back, but him not playing doesnt make any odds to me either.
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I did miss him at Pinehurst, as I thought it would suit him if he was playing well.
He's long enough to avoid having to use the driver on every hole, his iron play is excellent and he has a magic short game.
 
Whether you like to guy or not he is/was an incredible golfer and if it hadn't been for him we would not get to enjoy the scope of TV coverage that we do.

I do not condone his rather truculent behaviour but I wish him the best in returning to full fitness.
 
Do we see more golf on telly now because of Sky or Woods ?

Remember before Woods we used to see the Master and the Open on telly then , Ryder Cup , Matchplay , English Masters plus a few other tournaments based in the UK - then Sky came along and started to broadcast the US Majors along with Eurosport showing highlights ( around 93 ? )
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Do we see more golf on telly now because of Sky or Woods ?

Remember before Woods we used to see the Master and the Open on telly then , Ryder Cup , Matchplay , English Masters plus a few other tournaments based in the UK - then Sky came along and started to broadcast the US Majors along with Eurosport showing highlights ( around 93 ? )
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a bit of both, would sky have shown as much as they do without him? Whilst we have no proof either way, all sports need a figurehead for pr. Jordan for example got many people in the uk into basketball that had no interest prior to him becoming global.
 
I just wish the Tiger fans would stop 'bigging' him and his impact on the history of golf quite as much as they do - they just don't need to and their hyperbole just causes arguments - and many of the statements they make just cannot be proven or disproven.

Golf today is as it is today. Whether it is because of Tiger no-one knows - maybe - maybe not - but we most certainly will not be able to find out. So let's just accept that as a golfer Tiger Woods has been fantastic. But let's not pretend that golf needs him and let's not treat him like a returning saviour of golf - because it doesn't and he isn't. I welcome him back, I hope his back and knees are OK - and as an oldie I wish him good luck as he takes on today's young guns.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I just wish the Tiger fans would stop 'bigging' him and his impact on the history of golf quite as much as they do - they just don't need to and their hyperbole just causes arguments - and many of the statements they make just cannot be proven or disproven.

Golf today is as it is today. Whether it is because of Tiger no-one knows - maybe - maybe not - but we most certainly will not be able to find out. So let's just accept that as a golfer Tiger Woods has been fantastic. But let's not pretend that golf needs him and let's not treat him like a returning saviour of golf - because it doesn't and he isn't. I welcome him back, I hope his back and knees are OK - and as an oldie I wish him good luck as he takes on today's young guns.
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thing is is though, your comments come across as though people bigger him up are unrealistic, but people discounting his impact is fine.

Not everything can be proven of course. But some things can. Marketing for example, he's the most marketable player in the game. So when he stops playing it'll be interesting to see what happens. Will the add money get split on a few big names or will the money lessen.

Either way, fan boys are only as bad as those who refuse to acknowledge he has had an impact.

"Prove this or it's not true, sounds like the same rhetoric of religions. Prove he doesn't exist or he must". Anyways I'm off on that non controversial note as I've no interest ina response on either subject as I'm obviously on one side of those points, and others will be fully against them.

Come on England!!!!!
 
Has to be good for the game. Give it a few months and Woods, fully fit will be back at #1. Love him or not he has dominated the game for so long, fallen away and come back again to be the best player. I think any event he plays in is better for having the best player(s) in the world competing.

I think you'll find IF he gets to play the Open then the BBC coverage will be a lot more across the board. It is usually on the US feed that is Tiger obsessed and as these are the streams Sky get to use there is sod all they can do about him being shown all the time.
 
As a golf fan, I like to see the best players, playing fantastic golf, battling it out on Sunday. Like it or not, Tiger is one of the best players out there, and I want to see his best golf. When he's hot, it's great watching.

If he's not ready, then I hope he doesn't play. It's not his fault that he dominates coverage, but it really don't want to watch him chopping it round at the expense of not seeing someone playing better.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Think you will need to go away and check facts before posting statements like that

Football coverage is vastly different - vastly. There is zero relevance
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It'll be quicker if you just tell me which facts I should check?

Tiger gets a disproportionate amount of airtime and is on screen more than others & you don't agree with it because you don't like him for whatever he does that narks you but aren't ready to apply the same standards to all golfers, that's fine

As a golf fan whether he's there or not will not change how much time I spend watching The Open by a single minute
 
He is just one of the pack of good players , no longer the power he once was , still capable of winning so only a foolish person would say otherwise , it will get harder with each passing year , he wants to play the open as he won there last time and he may well be fit but is his golf game fit too , .....................EYG
 
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