Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[Twire]

There's not just the one GE. If the French see the EU playing hardball on Brexit it might influence votes for/against Le Pen/Macron.

I'm not understanding your reason for "the EU would therefore want the Tories to have as large a majority as possible". I would think it's the reverse.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I am still not at all clear who our PM thinks the EU is trying to influence the GE in favour of. Surely if anything the EU would want whichever party wins the GE to have as large a majority as possible as that strengthens the PMs hand - not so much in the negotiations with the EU - but in being able to sell 'internally' a 'less than the most severe' Brexit Deal - as that is the sort of deal the EU will want.

As the Tories are 100% going to win the election, the EU would therefore want the Tories to have as large a majority as possible - to enable the PM to marginalise the influence of the harder Brexit faction of her party.

So in respect of her statement May was either confused; being manipulated; or being cynical and playing dog-whistle politics -
painting the EU as baddies and so protecting herself against fall-out when a decent deal is hard to find.

Any - back to the main question. If May thinks the EU are trying to influence the election - who are they trying to influence it in favour of?

It''s just a political move by TMay. She is increasing the distrust of the EU which plays well with the kipper vote she is after (coincidence she said this a couple of days before the local elections?), plus as seen in the US elections a little bit of paranoia and blaming of the EU/Mexicans/Muslims etc etc seems to be a good vote winning tactic. Creating someone to blame if it all goes wrong.

The Russian embassy are even trolling Tmay about it now now which is quite amusing http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/praise-god...ocks-mays-eu-election-meddling-claims-1620161

 

[IanM]

There's not just the one GE. If the French see the EU playing hardball on Brexit it might influence votes for/against Le Pen/Macron.

I'm not understanding your reason for "the EU would therefore want the Tories to have as large a majority as possible". I would think it's the reverse.

Correct. It exactly the reverse. EU need Tory collapse so that the Pro EU Labour/Lib Dems/Scot Nits get in....also EU have been backing Macron (financially if you believe what you read) but The Drunk has been openly backing him in speeches.

EU have to be as mean as possible to the UK...to discourage other countries from leaving. Former Eastern Bloc will be offski quickski as soon as the cash stops coming.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Listened again to what Theresa May said about Leave/Remain before the election - and the significant negative security and economic impact that leaving would have on the UK - and her thoughts were not caveated - they were clear and straight, Leaving would be BAD for the UK.

And I listen to her 'we will fight them on the beaches' 10 Downing Street guff earlier this week and I do not need to wonder whey I have lost the bit of faith I had with her when she was elected. I was hoping that her position pre-vote would herald a sensible, low risk and compromising approach to the negotiations. Instead with a completely shameless 180deg volte face (is their any other sort ) May goes into exploit and self mode - and the majority of the British public seem to accept that and her disingenuity and mendacity with hardly a murmur.

I can hardly believe it. But then again I can. And I have to. What a very sad state of affairs.

 

[Hobbit]

To be honest, after listening to that speech on Youtube again today, I think she pitches it very well bearing in mind she's reacting to the Juncker-leaks...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

To be honest, after listening to that speech on Youtube again today, I think she pitches it very well bearing in mind she's reacting to the Juncker-leaks...

I'm comparing what she said with what she said 'before' - and that comparison makes be think that her proclamations of earlier this week and protestations against the EU leaks and views are just a confection for public consumption prior to the local elections of yesterday and the GE. Because I suspect she knows that the leaks and views of Juncker, Barnier and Tusk are actually pretty close to being spot on. And as far as them being aimed at influencing the elections - tosh!

Addressing audience at the Institute of Mechanical Engineers in central London.on 25 April 2016

“I believe it is clearly in our national interest to remain a member of the European Union… Remaining inside the European Union makes us more secure, it makes us more prosperous.”

...and so on...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...eferendum-campaign-remain-leave-a7655351.html

Her change in position and her rhetoric since June 23rd - and especially most recently - means that I just cannot trust a word that Theresa May says, even if I wanted to...how can you - when she has 'changed' as she has.

 

[Hobbit]

I'm comparing what she said with what she said 'before' - and that comparison makes be think that her proclamations of earlier this week and protestations against the EU leaks and views are just a confection for public consumption prior to the local elections of yesterday and the GE. Because I suspect she knows that the leaks and views of Juncker, Barnier and Tusk are actually pretty close to being spot on. And as far as them being aimed at influencing the elections - tosh!

Addressing audience at the Institute of Mechanical Engineers in central London.on 25 April 2016

“I believe it is clearly in our national interest to remain a member of the European Union… Remaining inside the European Union makes us more secure, it makes us more prosperous.”

...and so on...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...eferendum-campaign-remain-leave-a7655351.html

Her change in position and her rhetoric since June 23rd - and especially most recently - means that I just cannot trust a word that Theresa May says, even if I wanted to...how can you - when she has 'changed' as she has.

And your lack of trust might just be because you've made assumptions. To quote you, "I suspect."

Not saying you're wrong but, equally, not saying you're right.

 

[SocketRocket]

I'm comparing what she said with what she said 'before' - and that comparison makes be think that her proclamations of earlier this week and protestations against the EU leaks and views are just a confection for public consumption prior to the local elections of yesterday and the GE. Because I suspect she knows that the leaks and views of Juncker, Barnier and Tusk are actually pretty close to being spot on. And as far as them being aimed at influencing the elections - tosh!

Addressing audience at the Institute of Mechanical Engineers in central London.on 25 April 2016

“I believe it is clearly in our national interest to remain a member of the European Union… Remaining inside the European Union makes us more secure, it makes us more prosperous.”

...and so on...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...eferendum-campaign-remain-leave-a7655351.html

Her change in position and her rhetoric since June 23rd - and especially most recently - means that I just cannot trust a word that Theresa May says, even if I wanted to...how can you - when she has 'changed' as she has.

She has changed because the UK public voted for Brexit and she has accepted their decision and is determined to make the best of it, just like the other Political leaders should be doing rather than trying by any means to thwart democracy.

 

[drdel]

I'm comparing what she said with what she said 'before' - and that comparison makes be think that her proclamations of earlier this week and protestations against the EU leaks and views are just a confection for public consumption prior to the local elections of yesterday and the GE. Because I suspect she knows that the leaks and views of Juncker, Barnier and Tusk are actually pretty close to being spot on. And as far as them being aimed at influencing the elections - tosh!

Addressing audience at the Institute of Mechanical Engineers in central London.on 25 April 2016

“I believe it is clearly in our national interest to remain a member of the European Union… Remaining inside the European Union makes us more secure, it makes us more prosperous.”

...and so on...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...eferendum-campaign-remain-leave-a7655351.html

Her change in position and her rhetoric since June 23rd - and especially most recently - means that I just cannot trust a word that Theresa May says, even if I wanted to...how can you - when she has 'changed' as she has.

So you are prepared to accept the words of these guys when. These are the same people who have a record of being two faced, if you read the history of the Greek and EU negotiations you will discover that they told the Greeks of their support in private then reversed their views in public. It is a well know EU tactic used with the protection of their unelected positions designed to keep member states in-line and maintain the will and dream of their super-state ambitions where member states are just the means and source of funding.

IMO the language and perspective of your posts are clouded entirely by the dislike of the PM. Tories and the Referendum result - the wood and the trees have merged.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Strong and Stable...... what he said

Oh and it is sweary and NSFW.

[video=youtube_share;0M91g4OlGEY]https://youtu.be/0M91g4OlGEY[/video]

 

[SocketRocket]

Strong and Stable...... what he said

Oh and it is sweary and NSFW.

[video=youtube_share;0M91g4OlGEY]https://youtu.be/0M91g4OlGEY[/video]

Balderdash! But you know that already.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Balderdash! But you know that already.

Seemed pretty honest to me, which parts of that are you calling 'balderdash'?

 

[SocketRocket]

Seemed pretty honest to me, which parts of that are you calling 'balderdash'?

The bits you were taken in by. All of it

 

[Hacker Khan]

Well it's nice to see at least one country reject nasty right wing politics that leads to increased division, intolerance and a more fractured society. Vive La France.

Don't suppose we could learn a lesson from them.....

 

[Hobbit]

Well it's nice to see at least one country reject nasty right wing politics that leads to increased division, intolerance and a more fractured society. Vive La France.

Don't suppose we could learn a lesson from them.....

I hope not. Le Pen came second. At least in the U.K. Farage can't even get elected as an MP.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I hope not. Le Pen came second. At least in the U.K. Farage can't even get elected as an MP.

Who was talking about UKIP?

 

[Hobbit]

Who was talking about UKIP?

You miss my point. France managed to get an ultra right wing candidate through to the final round of a presidential election.

Race riots in Paris. No go areas in Paris. Women barred from bars and restaurants in some suburbs of Paris. France banned the burqa and Burkini, a ban upheld by the ECHR.

And you think France is wonderful? Yeh right...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

She has changed because the UK public voted for Brexit and she has accepted their decision and is determined to make the best of it, just like the other Political leaders should be doing rather than trying by any means to thwart democracy.

Oh for goodness sake just get real and stop ignoring any valid question or concern that is raised - your dismissal of anything that questions May of Brexit, and your blinkered and almost fanatical adherence to the cause it is utterly tedious. And so your 'balderdash' response above. Typcal and utterly pointless.

So, putting aside for a moment what a VERY SMALL majority of the electorate think, does May still herself believe that leaving the EU is BAD for the UK? If she doesn't how come the flip-flop that finds her now trying to stamp out any parliamentary opposition to whatever form of Brexit she thinks will be in her best interests and the best interests of the Tories - with the best interests of the UK seeming to come a distant third.

And whilst you answer that one - what about answering the question on who May thinks the EU are trying to influence in our GE - and why?

I'm interested to know.

Actually I'm not - because I get nothing to improve my understanding of the Leave rationale or mindset frpom your posts - I actually don't now give a monkeys. You trivialise everything and dismiss in a childish and petulant way anything that doesn't actually fit with your Brexit fantasy world - and frankly I just can't be bothered even wasting 2 secs of my time asking further about this fantasy land - so I'm not going to bother.

We live in an insular, angry, and what will become a pretty bitter country when the chickens come home to roost as Brexit and immigration controls prove to be anything but the answer to all of the UKs issues. Listening to Macron this evening I could almost wish I were French.

 

[Hobbit]

Oh for goodness sake just get real and stop ignoring any valid question or concern that is raised - your dismissal of anything that questions May of Brexit, and your blinkered and almost fanatical adherence to the cause it is utterly

And whilst you answer that one - what about answering the question on who May thinks the EU are trying to influence in our GE - and why?

I'm interested to know.

Para 1, substitute You for SR as a Remainer. You are blinkered beyond belief when facts and questions and different opinions are posed.

I would hazard a guess that the EU would want to influence the electorate. And having done so I'm pretty certain that they would love to be negotiating with a party that has little chance of pushing a hard Brexit through Parliament. Not difficult is it really?

 

[ColchesterFC]

Oh for goodness sake just get real and stop ignoring any valid question or concern that is raised - your dismissal of anything that questions May of Brexit, and your blinkered and almost fanatical adherence to the cause it is utterly tedious.

Have you considered that if you change the word "dismissal" to the word "support" in that sentence then that accusation could equally be levelled at yourself? :thup:

EDIT - beaten to it by Hobbit, but glad I'm not the only one that thinks so.