Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[ger147]

But the EU wants May to have the biggest majority possible as that gives May the best chance of marginalising the hard eurosceptics - thereby increasing the possibility of their being able to negotiate a less than most severe Brexit with the UK. It would be counter-productive for the EU to try and undermine May and the Brexiteers, au contraire they want a May with an increased majority, not a reduced.

No they don't...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

With your track record of avoiding answering direct questions I don't think that you are in a position to criticise or start lecturing anyone else for not answering.

Theresa May as leader of the Tory party is doing what the electorate voted for when they chose to vote to leave the EU. Her personal feelings on the matter are secondary to that. You seem to have already decided what the outcome of the negotiations will be, with the result being a "hard Brexit". I'm prepared to wait and see the results of the negotiations before I start criticising or congratulating the negotiators.

I would agree with Hobbit that the EU would feel that their negotiating position would be stronger against a government that had no chance or very little chance of getting a "hard Brexit" through parliament. Therefore if there was interference from the EU in the election I believe a large Tory majority would be the least desirable outcome to them.

Now perhaps you could answer the questions that were put to you many days ago.....

Do you think that the UK will end up actually paying 100 billion euros, that the EU are currently demanding, to leave the EU?

Do you think that it would be fair for the EU to refuse to share assists that as a nett contributor over many years the UK have paid towards?

Aren't these two things just the EU trying to show how tough they are rather than factual statements on how things will turn out?

Tell you what. I have no need to answer ANY Brexit related questions as my side of the argument LOST. The questions that need answering are all for thise supporting the WINNING side.

But since you asked.

1) I have no idea what the UK will end up paying, what do you think. Doubt it will be €100bn.
2) Up to the EU whether the share any assets, my feeling is not and it would be understandable were they to refuse. I pay into a club - the club buys chairs - I leave the club - I don't get to walk away with a chair - unless that is I am a shareholder in the club and the club goes bust. So if the EU goes bust whilst the UK is still in it - then YES - the UK gets a share of the assets.
3) Possibly. Likewise May and the Brexiteers have absolutely NO factual statements to make about the UKs post-Brexit future - other than out of the EU seems to mean out of the SM and the CU - whatever that actually means.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Why don't you be honest with yourself and us. You want Brexit to fail and you are making comments that show you cannot give any credence whatsoever to May or the Negotiators. In your mind a successful Brexit would be a disaster as your will is so set against it. There is a great difference between concern for the outcome and and a desire for it to fail.

Of course I don't want Brexit to fail - I have a family and friends - all of whose future depends on a successful Brexit. But wouldn't you just love it if I did - would give you a scapegoat when things don't turn out quite so sweet. The British Public have made a massive and utterly stupid mistake. But I very much hope and pray that things don't turn out as bad as they might.

You really, really do not seem to understand why some of us have grave concerns and worries over the future of a post-Brexit UK - not specifically economically - more in respect of social cohesion.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No they don't...

Yes they do...

I might have as well said.

Do you think I am making this up? Well I am not. The EU don't give a great deal of monkeys about May's majority in respect of the EU's own negotiations with the UK - they have said this repeatedly and many informed commentators have said that the Tory majority will not change the EU negotiating stance. But the EU DO want the maximum Tory majority to increase the possibility of a softer Brexit - that negotiation being an internal UK parliamentary negotiation.

I await hearing from Paul Dacre that the French Public are trying to affect the outcome of the UK GE by electing Macron as their president - how very dare they...

 

[ger147]

Yes they do...

I might have as well said.

Do you think I am making this up? Well I am not. The EU don't give a great deal of monkeys about May's majority in respect of the EU's own negotiations with the UK - they have said this repeatedly and many informed commentators have said that the Tory majority will not change the EU negotiating stance. But the EU DO want the maximum Tory majority to increase the possibility of a softer Brexit - that negotiation being an internal UK parliamentary negotiation.

I await hearing from Paul Dacre that the French Public are trying to affect the outcome of the UK GE by electing Macron as their president - how very dare they...

No they don't.

 

[Old Skier]

Of course I don't want Brexit to fail - I have a family and friends - all of whose future depends on a successful Brexit.

Good to have you on board.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Just to re-cap on here.......Is everyone quite happy with the UK's sudden lurch to the right and instigating what are basic UKIP/BNP political policies.

 

[Hobbit]

Just to re-cap on here.......Is everyone quite happy with the UK's sudden lurch to the right and instigating what are basic UKIP/BNP political policies.

Absolutely!

And I've painted my bulldog red, white and blue. Just waiting on getting my Union Jack tattoo finished and the skin head hair cut. Any idea where I can get some cheap Doc Martin's?

 

[Old Skier]

Just to re-cap on here.......Is everyone quite happy with the UK's sudden lurch to the right and instigating what are basic UKIP/BNP political policies.

Providing we don't go as far right as the SNP which apart from one letter is as right as the BNP so we should be ok. Very happy with current center policies.

 

[IanM]

Give Corbyn some credit.... he's spouting plenty of stuff from the previous GE UKIP Manifesto as well as Karl Marx!

Is that balance or schizophrenic?

Far Right? Hardly. Which actual policies are far right? Clue... allowing people to wear their won clothes rather than "Peoples' Suits" isn't far right! :clap:

 

[SocketRocket]

Just to re-cap on here.......Is everyone quite happy with the UK's sudden lurch to the right and instigating what are basic UKIP/BNP political policies.

I thought continental shift was fairly gradual. How big is is this lurch to the right! Are we expecting to reach the Canadian Mainland some time soon?

What are these UKIP/BNP policies we are instigating? Killing all Immigrants on sight, opening a new Workhouse every day, tax relief on neck tattoos and Staffies, Special Brexit tax for all Remainers (we know who you are).

 

[drdel]

Tell you what. I have no need to answeur ANY Brexit related questions as my side of the argument LOST. The questions that need answering are all for thise supporting the WINNING side.

But since you asked.

1) I have no idea what the UK will end up paying, what do you think. Doubt it will be €100bn.
2) Up to the EU whether the share any assets, my feeling is not and it would be understandable were they to refuse. I pay into a club - the club buys chairs - I leave the club - I don't get to walk away with a chair - unless that is I am a shareholder in the club and the club goes bust. So if the EU goes bust whilst the UK is still in it - then YES - the UK gets a share of the assets.
3) Possibly. Likewise May and the Brexiteers have absolutely NO factual statements to make about the UKs post-Brexit future - other than out of the EU seems to mean out of the SM and the CU - whatever that actually means.

The EU is not a club, nations do not pay subs. The EU request contributions which vary over time and between states.

Neither is it a divorce, the UK is simply leaving the arrangement. Some in the EU agree with HoL that there is no legal basis for charging the UK for future expenditure as out account has been settled by the annual charge.

 

[MarkE]

You really, really do not seem to understand why some of us have grave concerns and worries over the future of a post-Brexit UK - not specifically economically - more in respect of social cohesion.

Maybe if more affluent parts of the country cared about social cohesion then maybe the rest of the country would'nt have been voting to leave. There's little cohesion in my neck of the woods and it has nothing to do with brexit.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

What is the difference between Teresa May and Elvis.












Elvis was seen by a few local folk when he visited Scotland.

 

[Hobbit]

What is the difference between Teresa May and Elvis.












Elvis was seen by a few local folk when he visited Scotland.

Think he's got a chippy at the end of our street too.

 

[SocketRocket]

What is the difference between Teresa May and Elvis.
Elvis was seen by a few local folk when he visited Scotland.

Theresa's Hip, Elvis was Snake Hips :thup:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Maybe if more affluent parts of the country cared about social cohesion then maybe the rest of the country would'nt have been voting to leave. There's little cohesion in my neck of the woods and it has nothing to do with brexit.

A society where the rich, representing a tiny fraction of the population, keep getting richer.
Whereas the poor, representing the bulk of the population, keep getting poorer is bound to end in a disaster.

I see that property prices are starting to fall, no surprise to me.
This could be the start of the 'disaster'

 

[Hobbit]

A society where the rich, representing a tiny fraction of the population, keep getting richer.
Whereas the poor, representing the bulk of the population, keep getting poorer is bound to end in a disaster.

I see that property prices are starting to fall, no surprise to me.
This could be the start of the 'disaster'

money makes money. It always has and always will. People need to borrow, and banks have been making money since before Jesus turfed them out of the temple.

As to property prices, I've moved house 14 times in 28 years of buying and selling. On at least 3 occasions I've sold in a falling market. 'Disaster;' I don't see anything I haven't already experienced.

 

[IanM]

One minute the over inflated property market is trumpeted as a disaster, then any correction is also a disaster. By the same people....

That tells me one thing, and its nothing to do with the property market, Brexit or a General Election

 

[jp5]

I see the Prime Minister is refusing to take any press questions that haven't been vetted.

Together with refusing to take part in a leader's debate.

Should be concerning for all, even those that support her. This isn't healthy for democracy.