Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[bluewolf]

In other news. I'm really interested to see how May handles the current vote issue. The Chief Whip telling MP's to ignore vote pairing agreements and vote anyway says quite a lot about the current state of Politics in this country. How we react to it says quite a lot about us.

 

[Hobbit]

In other news. I'm really interested to see how May handles the current vote issue. The Chief Whip telling MP's to ignore vote pairing agreements and vote anyway says quite a lot about the current state of Politics in this country. How we react to it says quite a lot about us.

I hope she sacks him. If she is to protect the integrity of Parliament she has no choice.

But don’t hold your breath.

 

[bluewolf]

I hope she sacks him. If she is to protect the integrity of Parliament she has no choice.

But don’t hold your breath.

I agree. The position he has put her in makes his position untenable. Unfortunately, she can't afford to keep losing top people. The Government is at war with itself!

 

[Dibby]

I hope she sacks him. If she is to protect the integrity of Parliament she has no choice.

But don’t hold your breath.

It might not be that easy, the ultimate question is whether the whip acted independently or under her instruction?

If under her instruction, sacking brings a problem, because the whips career being ruined by following her orders will mean that he is likely to spill the beans and bring her down with him, and yet not sacking makes her appear to be complicit and have no control of things. Rock and a hard place.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

can we get off religion please, start a new thread if you must, but this thread is about Theresa May and her suitability (or not) in the role of Prime Minister.

TY

OK - I think May is trying - but IMO rather failing - to follow her christian democrat instinct as her Tory Party loyalties, and mistrust - even dislike - of Johnson and Rees-Mogg, swamp everything.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Quite amusing that people are once again mocking Hogie's faith whilst still expecting us to have the same faith in a process that they support.

*Tongue firmly in cheek 😉

I could possibly comment - but I shall refrain from doing so...

 

[Hobbit]

Quite amusing that people are once again mocking Hogie's faith whilst still expecting us to have the same faith in a process that they support.

*Tongue firmly in cheek 

Are they mocking it or are they asking the same thing as Hogan asks of May, on a regular basis. How does she/he reconcile her/his faith with the earthly realities of politics?

In the uncompromising world of political expediency I don’t think it’s possible. I’d love to say it is but as we’ve seen with the pairing issue, it isn’t.

 

[bluewolf]

Are they mocking it or are they asking the same thing as Hogan asks of May, on a regular basis. How does she/he reconcile her/his faith with the earthly realities of politics?

In the uncompromising world of political expediency I don’t think it’s possible. I’d love to say it is but as we’ve seen with the pairing issue, it isn’t.

But Hogies politics do appear to be generally aligned with his faith. I think that he questions others who profess Faith but don't appear to follow specific teachings.

 

[Hobbit]

But Hogies politics do appear to be generally aligned with his faith. I think that he questions others who profess Faith but don't appear to follow specific teachings.

I guess it’s down to interpretation. I find Hogan’s opinions do run counter to his faith, or maybe that’s his failing, by being so judgemental. Whether it’s dress sense, or intellect, split up the back or stupid choices by those that voted a particular way it neither accepts nor tolerates the differences.

I don’t agree with Leave but accept its a political/lifestyle choice. I don’t think it will be successful but accept it might work out ok.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Are they mocking it or are they asking the same thing as Hogan asks of May, on a regular basis. How does she/he reconcile her/his faith with the earthly realities of politics?

In the uncompromising world of political expediency I don’t think it’s possible. I’d love to say it is but as we’ve seen with the pairing issue, it isn’t.

I believe that May instinctively knows the right thing to do in most matters political - her problem is reconciling that with her political will and that which the Tory party wants her do. And I believe that it could be this personal conflict that is at the root of her prevarications and uncertainty - as manifest through her actions, inactions and words - as political will overrules her personal inclinations.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I guess it’s down to interpretation. I find Hogan’s opinions do run counter to his faith, or maybe that’s his failing, by being so judgemental. Whether it’s dress sense, or intellect, split up the back or stupid choices by those that voted a particular way it neither accepts nor tolerates the differences.

I don’t agree with Leave but accept its a political/lifestyle choice. I don’t think it will be successful but accept it might work out ok.

We can all be judgemental from time-to-time - I don't know why someone with a faith should be expected to be otherwise - and so I will continue to be so especially on those matters or individuals that I think are damaging to others. My post in respect of the PMs dress sense was a throw-away - I did not expect it to be taken at all seriously - nothing else I say is

 

[Mudball]

So dear PM, given that you have a very stressful job.. how do you unwind.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-44928738/theresa-may-i-like-ncis-cooking-and-walking

<provide uncomfortable Maybot laugh as question is off script>
1) I like to go for walks <Maybot laugh>
2) I like to cook, so i have over 150 cookbooks
3) I like to watch NCIS.. where nothing happens <more uncomfy Maybot laugh>

So we are going to combine all my hobbies.. We will walk out of the EU, my recipe called Chequers Compromise and is unpalatable to anyone but nothing will happen in the end... everyone will be happy and we will find a magic money tree.

It cringe worthy to see her struggle thru any off script question. Surely someone who ran thru fields as her main entertainment is more human than this..

 

[Foxholer]

...I did not expect it to be taken at all seriously - nothing else I say is

A sad admission - and state!

In fact, I find it extremely distasteful that his faith is criticised! That has nothing to do with this discussion as far as i'm concerned!

Remember to 'play the argument, not the man!'!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

A sad admission - and state!

Just how it is. Though I am impervious to the slagging off and snide comments made in response to what I post. It is just a pity.

Anyway - let's see how she gets on selling her deal around the country...not quite the statement I think she will be having to make at some point to explain why No Deal will be a catastrophic disaster (concatenating what Major and Blair think of a No Deal). But I think that it will come to that.

 

[bobmac]

Remember to 'play the argument, not the man!'!

:rofl:

 

[Foxholer]

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Anyway - let's see how she gets on selling her deal around the country...not quite the statement I think she will be having to make at some point to explain why No Deal will be a catastrophic disaster (concatenating what Major and Blair think of a No Deal). But I think that it will come to that.

I don't think she has ever been a particularly good 'Salesperson'! At least, not to the general public, nor made the correct decisions when 'appealing' to courts on contentious issues! Many of her decisions to pursue flawed legal process as Home Secretary were entire predictable - and the sensible decision would have been to implement, significantly earlier, the eventual outcome, saving a great deal of both time and money!

It is becoming something of a considerable shambles - and it's actually down to her! And the country can't afford to actually get this wrong! There are companies going bust (though there will always be companies that go bust) because of either the uncertainty of what will happen or because imports are already significantly more expensive than they were before the referendum! That and the uncertainty will almost certainly have a significant effect on GDP! And there is still apparently little progress on (one of) the largest contributors to UK economy - the Financial Markets area! That's an area that needs to be addressed/agreed pronto!

 

[SocketRocket]

I don't think she has ever been a particularly good 'Salesperson'! At least, not to the general public, nor made the correct decisions when 'appealing' to courts on contentious issues! Many of her decisions to pursue flawed legal process as Home Secretary were entire predictable - and the sensible decision would have been to implement, significantly earlier, the eventual outcome, saving a great deal of both time and money!

It is becoming something of a considerable shambles - and it's actually down to her! And the country can't afford to actually get this wrong! There are companies going bust (though there will always be companies that go bust) because of either the uncertainty of what will happen or because imports are already significantly more expensive than they were before the referendum! That and the uncertainty will almost certainly have a significant effect on GDP! And there is still apparently little progress on (one of) the largest contributors to UK economy - the Financial Markets area! That's an area that needs to be addressed/agreed pronto!

Please can you show some evidence to back this claim especially as employment is at record highs and so many hundreds of thousands of people are still coming to the UK to live from abroad each year.

 

[hors limite]

Please can you show some evidence to back this claim especially as employment is at record highs and so many hundreds of thousands of people are still coming to the UK to live from abroad each year.

You want evidence.
I am sorry but this just takes the biscuit. On the Brexit thread you were recently asked to explain and as usual you responded with assertions about how confident you are with nothing at all to back up that confidence. Have a go at providing answers to these points.
I wish that the Leavers would spell out how we are going to be better off outside the EU. I have yet to hear a sensible reply to the concerns about the loss of frictionless trade. Similarly, why on earth in the context of the size of the respective markets would a country offer the UK a better trade deal than it would the EU? Marvellous new export markets - the Germans are doing wonderfully well exporting their goods outside the EU and within the present trade deals. Could it be that it's not the EU that's holding the UK back but the lack of enough attractive products? Tariffs, Rees Mogg keeps telling us that some goods could be cheaper and if pressed he talks about bloody shoes! The threat to existing and future inward investment - if the frictionless trade disappears and any sort of tariff is applied, things look bleak.In financial and other services where we are very strong, there is definitely going to some loss of access to the EU market with the job losses that will follow.

 

[Mudball]

You want evidence.
I am sorry but this just takes the biscuit. On the Brexit thread you were recently asked to explain and as usual you responded with assertions about how confident you are with nothing at all to back up that confidence. Have a go at providing answers to these points.
I wish that the Leavers would spell out how we are going to be better off outside the EU. I have yet to hear a sensible reply to the concerns about the loss of frictionless trade. Similarly, why on earth in the context of the size of the respective markets would a country offer the UK a better trade deal than it would the EU? Marvellous new export markets - the Germans are doing wonderfully well exporting their goods outside the EU and within the present trade deals. Could it be that it's not the EU that's holding the UK back but the lack of enough attractive products? Tariffs, Rees Mogg keeps telling us that some goods could be cheaper and if pressed he talks about bloody shoes! The threat to existing and future inward investment - if the frictionless trade disappears and any sort of tariff is applied, things look bleak.In financial and other services where we are very strong, there is definitely going to some loss of access to the EU market with the job losses that will follow.

We have far too many experts on this thread.. please stick to made up assertions of how we can be Great again. Remember the empire - we could do all sorts of things without having to worry about those pesky Europeans who now out compete us. Surely a market of 60m people is more attractive than that of 200m especially since the golden goose of Financial Services (which does most of the work outside the UK) will be served on a platter to other cities.

Getting back on the thread, TM would do a fantastic job as a tight rope walker. I love the idea that they wanted to take an early summer break just at a time when the biggest challenge the country is facing was being discussed.

Also, how much does the country/tories fear Labour/Corbyn if they have to hold on to TM just to ensure that Labour does not get in? We are walking in the shoes of our American cousins who whipped up enough frenzy against Hillary to ensure that Trump won.

 

[Hobbit]

You want evidence.
I am sorry but this just takes the biscuit. On the Brexit thread you were recently asked to explain and as usual you responded with assertions about how confident you are with nothing at all to back up that confidence. Have a go at providing answers to these points.
I wish that the Leavers would spell out how we are going to be better off outside the EU. I have yet to hear a sensible reply to the concerns about the loss of frictionless trade. Similarly, why on earth in the context of the size of the respective markets would a country offer the UK a better trade deal than it would the EU? Marvellous new export markets - the Germans are doing wonderfully well exporting their goods outside the EU and within the present trade deals. Could it be that it's not the EU that's holding the UK back but the lack of enough attractive products? Tariffs, Rees Mogg keeps telling us that some goods could be cheaper and if pressed he talks about bloody shoes! The threat to existing and future inward investment - if the frictionless trade disappears and any sort of tariff is applied, things look bleak.In financial and other services where we are very strong, there is definitely going to some loss of access to the EU market with the job losses that will follow.

A 5 minute search: lamb imported into the EU is subject to a 12.80% tariff + €176.00 per 100kg. A saving of £2.00-ish for your Sunday roast. Then there's the 15% on the wine from outside the EU, 75p on a £5 bottle. And the £500 (2.5%) on a £20000 car from outside the EU which you've just used to drive you home from the golf club for your Sunday lunch. There's a very good EU market access database on tariffs applied to non-EU countries.

Future investment. Ireland's reduction in Corporation Tax to very low levels, much to the EU's annoyance, has seen plenty of investment from non-EU countries. Ireland has suffered some very high profile court cases in recent years with the EU as it looks to make life difficult on low taxation. The EU is very concerned about the UK becoming a low taxation, Singapore-type, trading nation right on their doorstep. There might be higher tariffs from the UK into the EU but balanced, or bettered, by very low Corp Tax will make the UK extremely attractive to foreign investment.

However, as France continues to chase financial services business from London I expect the City will take a hit as the regs and financial passporting will be a sticking point. Equally, because of the performance of many UK blue chip companies there's significant investment by both France and Germany in UK pension companies. Add to that most of the UK water companies are French owned, the EU Commission will be pushed by the EU27 for a deal.

There's lots of posturing going on at present but there will be deals in a number of areas. It won't happen overnight, and will take all of the transition period, and then some, but it will happen. It will hurt the EU too much not to.