Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[User62651]

For a PM to publically broadcast details about a plan for future negotiations would be the most stupid thing imaginable.

Fear she'll get on about as well as Cameron did trying to renegotiate the UK's position early this year before his goose got cooked.

This 'deal' affect all of our futures immensely and you are happy to leave it to a few Tories to do the best for us all without letting us know beforehand what the goals are? They will get what they think is best to appease right wingers and to consilidate their own positions of power in government if they are left to go it alone, these are all monied rich Tory politicians for whom negative events resulting from Brexit will little affect. Why would you put any trust in these people, they are politicians? It will be short termism looking to secure votes in the next UK election and the one after that. Leaving this momentous negotiation to just a few Tories with little experience and in secret is crazy imo. Parliament should on behalf of all of us debate and agree a UK position in advance.

 

[SocketRocket]

Fear she'll get on about as well as Cameron did trying to renegotiate the UK's position early this year before his goose got cooked.

This 'deal' affect all of our futures immensely and you are happy to leave it to a few Tories to do the best for us all without letting us know beforehand what the goals are? They will get what they think is best to appease right wingers and to consilidate their own positions of power in government if they are left to go it alone, these are all monied rich Tory politicians for whom negative events resulting from Brexit will little affect. Why would you put any trust in these people, they are politicians? It will be short termism looking to secure votes in the next UK election and the one after that. Leaving this momentous negotiation to just a few Tories with little experience and in secret is crazy imo. Parliament should on behalf of all of us debate and agree a UK position in advance.

I just don't get this argument. If our negotiating position was made public and needed a parliament vote then we would be making the best Christmas present possible to the EU negotiators. I didn't hear anyone saying David Cameron needed to put his plans for negotiating changes to the EU treaties to a parliamentary vote before he went off on his failed negotiations.

If there needs to be a vote it just needs to be a vote on triggering Article 50. For the UK Government to be manacled to a plan approved by Parliament that they cannot change is unrealistic and stupid IMO.

The Government have made it clear that Parliament will get a vote on the final negotiated position. You may not like the current Government but they are the one that won the General Election last year so like it or not they are the ones running the country.

 

[JohnnyDee]

I thought the cold shoulder May got the other day is all we can expect.

We have told 'the club' we're resigning. As most of us belong to a golf club let me paint a picture.

Your subs renewal advice arrives. You decide you're not renewing and send a letter of resignation to the board.

Do you really expect to have preferential treatment over things like weekend tee times and voting rights to elect the new board?

If you do then you're sadly deluded.

 

[delc]

Theresa May strikes me as a grammar school swot who has been promoted way beyond her competence level!

 

[delc]

I just don't get this argument. If our negotiating position was made public and needed a parliament vote then we would be making the best Christmas present possible to the EU negotiators. I didn't hear anyone saying David Cameron needed to put his plans for negotiating changes to the EU treaties to a parliamentary vote before he went off on his failed negotiations.

If there needs to be a vote it just needs to be a vote on triggering Article 50. For the UK Government to be manacled to a plan approved by Parliament that they cannot change is unrealistic and stupid IMO.

The Government have made it clear that Parliament will get a vote on the final negotiated position. You may not like the current Government but they are the one that won the General Election last year so like it or not they are the ones running the country.

But leaving the EU is strictly optional! They shouldn't go there if it is not in the best interests of the whole UK, including Scotland and Northern Ireland who voted to Remain!

 

[SocketRocket]

I thought the cold shoulder May got the other day is all we can expect.

We have told 'the club' we're resigning. As most of us belong to a golf club let me paint a picture.

Your subs renewal advice arrives. You decide you're not renewing and send a letter of resignation to the board.

Do you really expect to have preferential treatment over things like weekend tee times and voting rights to elect the new board?

If you do then you're sadly deluded.

I must be sadly deluded then. If I tell my Golf Club that I have had a chat with my family and decided not to rejoin in two years but have paid my subs for the current year and will pay again next year so will be using my normal tee times, still entering medals and will attend the AGM as I want to make some comments on the membership fees, the way the committee are mismanaging the club, the number of pay and players/societies on the course these days and to maintain my handicap.

 

[SocketRocket]

But leaving the EU is strictly optional! They shouldn't go there if it is not in the best interests of the whole UK, including Scotland and Northern Ireland who voted to Remain!

I think you are struggling with this subject. The EU vote was not regional it was a vote by the UK, the Scottish/Northern Irish position is immaterial. Leaving is not an option it is the will of the people and I dont believe Parliament would be so foolish to ignore it.

Anyhow we have slipped into this rather than discussing if TM is up to the job.

 

[SocketRocket]

Theresa May strikes me as a grammar school swot who has been promoted way beyond her competence level!

I guess there are people like that in all walks of employment, some of them have Masters in Chemistry as well.

 

[JohnnyDee]

I must be sadly deluded then. If I tell my Golf Club that I have had a chat with my family and decided not to rejoin in two years but have paid my subs for the current year and will pay again next year so will be using my normal tee times, still entering medals and will attend the AGM as I want to make some comments on the membership fees, the way the committee are mismanaging the club, the number of pay and players/societies on the course these days and to maintain my handicap.

The scenario you paint is unreal. People will never give their Golf Club a two year notice period to quit. If they intend to quit two years hence but renew this year then they are, by definition, still full members and would of course be accorded full membership rights and privileges for that year. At such juncture they have only threatened to leave.

The only reason the Brexit strategy is protracted over a two-year period is because the process quite simply takes that long or possibly even longer.

We have effectively resigned from Club EU and consequently are of no further interest to the board and as we have no long-term intention to remain we will therefore be essentially completely irrelevant and ignored in any such long-term plans Club EU might have.

 

[delc]

The scenario you paint is unreal. People will never give their Golf Club a two year notice period to quit. If they intend to quit two years hence but renew this year then they are, by definition, still full members and would of course be accorded full membership rights and privileges for that year. At such juncture they have only threatened to leave.

The only reason the Brexit strategy is protracted over a two-year period is because the process quite simply takes that long or possibly even longer.

We have effectively resigned from Club EU and consequently are of no further interest to the board and as we have no long-term intention to remain we will therefore be essentially completely irrelevant and ignored in any such long-term plans Club EU might have.

Of course if you threaten to leave, the club could make such a good offer in terms of reduced membership fees or other incentives, that you might decide to stay after all. That was Boris Johnson's original position with regard to membership of the EU, if he had have become PM!

 

[Sweep]

Theresa May strikes me as a grammar school swot who has been promoted way beyond her competence level!

Are you no longer a Tory then?
Who on earth are you going to vote for next time?

 

[Sweep]

I thought the cold shoulder May got the other day is all we can expect.

We have told 'the club' we're resigning. As most of us belong to a golf club let me paint a picture.

Your subs renewal advice arrives. You decide you're not renewing and send a letter of resignation to the board.

Do you really expect to have preferential treatment over things like weekend tee times and voting rights to elect the new board?

If you do then you're sadly deluded.

I don't get this cold shoulder view. As I understand it the other nations were having a discussion over dinner on how to organise their side of the negotiations etc regarding the UK leaving the EU. Why on earth would they invite the U.K. PM? I mean, what could she possibly contribute to the discussion?
Of course any arrangements for the EU post Brexit aren't going to involve the UK and we shouldn't expect to have any say in them. That's not the cold shoulder, it's just common sense.

 

[delc]

Are you no longer a Tory then?
Who on earth are you going to vote for next time?

Difficult question? Couldn't possibly vote for Corbyn & Co, so Lib-Dems probably. :mmm:

 

[JohnnyDee]

I don't get this cold shoulder view. As I understand it the other nations were having a discussion over dinner on how to organise their side of the negotiations etc regarding the UK leaving the EU. Why on earth would they invite the U.K. PM? I mean, what could she possibly contribute to the discussion?
Of course any arrangements for the EU post Brexit aren't going to involve the UK and we shouldn't expect to have any say in them. That's not the cold shoulder, it's just common sense.

Neither do I. I'm alluding to how it (cold shoulder) was portrayed in some of the idiotic tabloid comics and popular media.

My own view is identical to yours. The UK is no longer going to be in the club and its views in that context are completely irrelevant to the other EU members who remain.

 

[delc]

Neither do I. I'm alluding to how it (cold shoulder) was portrayed in some of the idiotic tabloid comics and popular media.

My own view is identical to yours. The UK is no longer going to be in the club and its views in that context are completely irrelevant to the other EU members who remain.

As we have always been a somewhat troublesome member of the EU, they may well be glad to get rid of us, notwithstanding that we are nett contributors. So perhaps we shouldn't expect any special deals or concessions from them!

 

[MegaSteve]

As we have always been a somewhat troublesome member of the EU, they may well be glad to get rid of us, notwithstanding that we are nett contributors. So perhaps we shouldn't expect any special deals or concessions from them!

Do you honestly believe our former partners, in the EU 'experiment', will risk their own [in some cases] flakey economies just to put us in our place ....


Yeah, maybe you're right ...

 

[SocketRocket]

The scenario you paint is unreal. People will never give their Golf Club a two year notice period to quit. If they intend to quit two years hence but renew this year then they are, by definition, still full members and would of course be accorded full membership rights and privileges for that year. At such juncture they have only threatened to leave.

The only reason the Brexit strategy is protracted over a two-year period is because the process quite simply takes that long or possibly even longer.

We have effectively resigned from Club EU and consequently are of no further interest to the board and as we have no long-term intention to remain we will therefore be essentially completely irrelevant and ignored in any such long-term plans Club EU might have.

You were the one using a Golf Club as an example and your scenario was nothing like the process we have with the EU.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Did not convince at all on Andy Marr yesterday morning. And today we hear that the reason she was avoiding answering Marr's question about Trident missile test firing was that she knew - and clearly did not know what to say. As PM she has to be able to think on her feet and not just sound evasive when she knows the truth will out - as it did within 24hrs.

C'mon Theresa - you need to up your game if you are to have any chance with Trump later this week - and by God - whatever I think of you - we need you to do your very best for us and do a bit of very plain speaking with him - and not be fawning to him hoping to become his 'best friend'. You must not become his best friend because as we all know and what history tells us

He who sups with the devil should have a long spoon

 

[MegaSteve]

C'mon Theresa - you need to up your game if you are to have any chance with Trump later this week - and by God - whatever I think of you - we need you to do your very best for us and do a bit of very plain speaking with him - and not be fawning to him hoping to become his 'best friend'. You must not become his best friend because as we all know and what history tells us

He who sups with the devil should have a long spoon

To be honest I'd be a whole lot more concerned if she [as a career politician] was on her way to have tea and biscuits with another career politician [Hilary]... That's when the stitch ups start from...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And so how has she done in Trumptown...?