Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

May set to be seen squirming a little in tonights ITV interview wrt stat that of 350 returning jihadis to UK from Syria in the last 2 years, only 1 temporary exclusion order has issued. This on top of that rather smug old footage being played of her as HS telling the police conference to not 'cry wolf' over personnel numbers required is showing her up in bad light at the worst time when people are struggling with terror attacks and so close to polling day. She can't blame Corbyn for that or for exploiting it politically.
Whole election was supposed to be about Brexit for May, seems there hasn't been that much talk of Brexit at all during this campaign, particularly latterly given tragic events. It's right however that opposition parties and media have made the focus about all the issues and not just Brexit, it is a GE not a Brexit vote after all, and have not allowed May a coronation at least, before she almost certainly wins Thursday.

I dont think she or her team could have imagined a worse campaign.

41.5% Con v 40.4% Lab headline in the Evening Standard online today. Is this just bitter Osbourne spinning or is it really that close? Might be a scare tactic to get Tories out voting as well as a dig at May from GO.

Whatever happens Thursday her image and self billed reputation as strong and stable has been lessened significantly imo from where she was a couple of months ago.

A catalog of misjudgements including calling this GE doesn't inspire confidence in her as leader moving forward. Her decision making ability is in serious question.

Will give her a chance nonetheless to prove herself should she win handsomely Thursday for the good of the country, if she doesn't win handsomely her goose might be cooked anyway.
If it comes to that wonder if she'll fall on her sword a la DaveC or dig in and wait to get pushed like MaggieT.

The problem I see with taking that view is that a bad Brexit deal will clobber much of what is in any manifesto - indeed the parties must have made some assumptions about a deal on which to base their manifesto pledges - or maybe they haven't?

That's why the lack of debate on key Brexit issues has been IMO shameful - Tories hiding being 'we mustn't give our hand away' and Labour not sure at all about what sort of deal they'd want.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Oh dear god. The fact she went straight to "I support shoot to kill" is just another example of how she can't think on her feet. If anyone had even the slightest thought that she is the "great leader" to lead us through Brexit, please please look at what she is doing.

As a Tory historically, who can't support May, is it too much to hope for that she resigns pretty quickly and we get someone vaguely competent in, when the Tories no doubt still win the GE?

I thought about that as well. Anyone with any conscience or Christian values would at least hesitate before making such a statement - and would not be quite so strident and certain in making the statement. Did she really think about what she was saying or did she say what she felt that the electorate wanted to hear?

 

[Hacker Khan]

May set to be seen squirming a little in tonights ITV interview wrt stat that of 350 returning jihadis to UK from Syria in the last 2 years, only 1 temporary exclusion order has issued. This on top of that rather smug old footage being played of her as HS telling the police conference to not 'cry wolf' over personnel numbers required is showing her up in bad light at the worst time when people are struggling with terror attacks and so close to polling day. She can't blame Corbyn for that or for exploiting it politically.
Whole election was supposed to be about Brexit for May, seems there hasn't been that much talk of Brexit at all during this campaign, particularly latterly given tragic events. It's right however that opposition parties and media have made the focus about all the issues and not just Brexit, it is a GE not a Brexit vote after all, and have not allowed May a coronation at least, before she almost certainly wins Thursday.

I dont think she or her team could have imagined a worse campaign.

41.5% Con v 40.4% Lab headline in the Evening Standard online today. Is this just bitter Osbourne spinning or is it really that close? Might be a scare tactic to get Tories out voting as well as a dig at May from GO.

Whatever happens Thursday her image and self billed reputation as strong and stable has been lessened significantly imo from where she was a couple of months ago.

A catalog of misjudgements including calling this GE doesn't inspire confidence in her as leader moving forward. Her decision making ability is in serious question.

Will give her a chance nonetheless to prove herself should she win handsomely Thursday for the good of the country, if she doesn't win handsomely her goose might be cooked anyway.
If it comes to that wonder if she'll fall on her sword a la DaveC or dig in and wait to get pushed like MaggieT.

Or it could be that recent experience shows us that polls have been completely discredited as a way of knowing who will vote for whom. They have messed up big time in the last 3 big votes I can remember. Even failing to pick the winner 2 times out of 3 in a 2 horse race.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I thought about that as well. Anyone with any conscience or Christian values would at least hesitate before making such a statement - and would not be quite so strident and certain in making the statement. Did she really think about what she was saying or did she say what she felt that the electorate wanted to hear?

Why? What's wrong with supporting a shoot to kill policy? Would I rather the police weren't put in a position to have to do it? Of course I would. Am I happy that the police have the option to terminate the scum with a bullet between the eyes? Absolutely I am. The vermin carrying out these sorts of attacks need to be stopped as quickly as possible and if they're laying on the road in a puddle of their own blood and several bullet holes in their head then they aren't going to be stabbing anyone else.

 

[Slime]

Why? What's wrong with supporting a shoot to kill policy? Would I rather the police weren't put in a position to have to do it? Of course I would. Am I happy that the police have the option to terminate the scum with a bullet between the eyes? Absolutely I am. The vermin carrying out these sorts of attacks need to be stopped as quickly as possible and if they're laying on the road in a puddle of their own blood and several bullet holes in their head then they aren't going to be stabbing anyone else.

............ is the right answer :thup:.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Why? What's wrong with supporting a shoot to kill policy? Would I rather the police weren't put in a position to have to do it? Of course I would. Am I happy that the police have the option to terminate the scum with a bullet between the eyes? Absolutely I am. The vermin carrying out these sorts of attacks need to be stopped as quickly as possible and if they're laying on the road in a puddle of their own blood and several bullet holes in their head then they aren't going to be stabbing anyone else.

I'm not saying she's wrong, I just flinched a little about her absolute certainty over a shoot to kill policy - and that would cover not just for guys with fake or real suicide vests on.

 

[Hobbit]

I absolutely wouldn't support bringing back capital punishment! But where does that leave me with reconciling a shoot to kill? A policeman making the snap decision to kill... 3 guys running at you with 12" blades, having already done untold harm. I can't make that decision, even now viewing it in the cold light of day.

Do you shoot to wound, incapacitate? Does that hesitation cause more danger? Do you shoot with the certainty to stop more harm to others?

Too late he's killed me and now moved on to others.

I can't make that decision but I am eternally grateful that someone else can.

 

[Hobbit]

I'm not saying she's wrong, I just flinched a little about her absolute certainty over a shoot to kill policy - and that would cover not just for guys with fake or real suicide vests on.

Do you think the vicar's daughter, with her upbringing and beliefs, is truly comfortable with the decision. But she can't flinch, officially.

Corbyn takes 12 hours to make his mind up, flip flopping from his life long principles to what is needed as a leader of this country. Brexit negotiator, no. Security of the nation, no. I wouldn't trust him protecting kids at a school crossing.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Do you think May convinced the 70 Tory activists bussed in to an empty warehouse in Edinburgh and ordered to give her a 'big welcoming cheer' that she was a strong and stable leader.

Another long distance to travel just for another fake photo opportunity.
You would have thought they might have learned something from the shed meeting in the forest.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Do you think the vicar's daughter, with her upbringing and beliefs, is truly comfortable with the decision. But she can't flinch, officially.

Corbyn takes 12 hours to make his mind up, flip flopping from his life long principles to what is needed as a leader of this country. Brexit negotiator, no. Security of the nation, no. I wouldn't trust him protecting kids at a school crossing.

The man is obsessed with peace. He is the perfect person to try and protect the country (and kids at a school crossing). You're not telling me you're trusting the hack jobs regurgitating nonsense about him "not believing in shoot to kill" are you?

 

[Hobbit]

The man is obsessed with peace. He is the perfect person to try and protect the country (and kids at a school crossing). You're not telling me you're trusting the hack jobs regurgitating nonsense about him "not believing in shoot to kill" are you?

No, I'm trusting what I heard him say on Sunday morning and on Sunday night. Not the hacks, nor the spin doctors from the Tory party. His own words, his own indecisive flip flopping.

Everyone wants peace, but he wants it at any price...

You're not telling me you're willing to dismiss the evidence from his own mouth?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The National Labour manifesto has a lot in common with what the SNP have been doing for the last 10 years.
SNP encouraging folk to vote for Corbyn outside of Scotland

The Scottish Labour [Blairites] seem to be opposed to both The SNP and their Labour national party.
Scottish Labour encouraging folk to vote Tory in Scotland where the SLAB candidate is unpopular.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

No, I'm trusting what I heard him say on Sunday morning and on Sunday night. Not the hacks, nor the spin doctors from the Tory party. His own words, his own indecisive flip flopping.

Everyone wants peace, but he wants it at any price...

You're not telling me you're willing to dismiss the evidence from his own mouth?

I'm always happy to be corrected. I didn't see these speeches. I've just googled his speech on Sunday evening and found http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...s-speech-terrorism-will-do-him-more-good-harm. This doesn't seem too bad. I'm assuming from your post his speech Sunday morning was the opposite or something? Any links for me to research? Thanks

 

[Hobbit]

I'm always happy to be corrected. I didn't see these speeches. I've just googled his speech on Sunday evening and found http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...s-speech-terrorism-will-do-him-more-good-harm. This doesn't seem too bad. I'm assuming from your post his speech Sunday morning was the opposite or something? Any links for me to research? Thanks

Only got the iPhone but if you YouTube Jc shoot to kill he flip flops on it in the morning but unequivocally states in the evening that he would support the police in the use of whatever force the deem necessary.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Only got the iPhone but if you YouTube Jc shoot to kill he flip flops on it in the morning but unequivocally states in the evening that he would support the police in the use of whatever force the deem necessary.

Sunday morning wasn't a speech it was questioning over the terrorist attack the night before, is it fair using his words against him when all he was trying to do was express sympathy towards the victims.

You really really don't like him do you

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Sunday morning wasn't a speech it was questioning over the terrorist attack the night before, is it fair using his words against him when all he was trying to do was express sympathy towards the victims.

You really really don't like him do you

Am I going crazy? the only speech about shoot to kill appears to be from months ago, where a complaint was subsequently upheld for taking them out of context? Please help me out!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Am I going crazy? the only speech about shoot to kill appears to be from months ago, where a complaint was subsequently upheld for taking them out of context? Please help me out!

He was interviewed (not a speech) on sunday morning when the main parties paused their campaigns after the attack.
Sunday evening he made a speech in the NW about security, in this one he backed the Police action on saturday and said the decision should be left to the guy on the ground, in the past he's been totally against any sort of shoot to kill policy.

Some see it as flip floppin,

 

[Hobbit]

Sunday morning wasn't a speech it was questioning over the terrorist attack the night before, is it fair using his words against him when all he was trying to do was express sympathy towards the victims.

You really really don't like him do you

I actually like him a lot, and would love to sit down for a beer with him, unlike May. I genuinely think he's an honest decent person. I think he struggles to reconcile his far left principles with his position, and because of that gets caught out in interviews. I don't like his politics, and I think McDonnell as PM in waiting scares the hell out of me.

With a different top table in the Labour Party, but with most of the current manifesto which I have read, I'd vote Labour without evening blinking.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I actually like him a lot, and would love to sit down for a beer with him, unlike May. I genuinely think he's an honest decent person. I think he struggles to reconcile his far left principles with his position, and because of that gets caught out in interviews. I don't like his politics, and I think McDonnell as PM in waiting scares the hell out of me.

With a different top table in the Labour Party, but with most of the current manifesto which I have read, I'd vote Labour without evening blinking.

I'd agree to that :thup:

 

[Old Skier]

I thought about that as well. Anyone with any conscience or Christian values would at least hesitate before making such a statement - and would not be quite so strident and certain in making the statement. Did she really think about what she was saying or did she say what she felt that the electorate wanted to hear?

Shoot to kill is the only option if you are shooting at people. What do people think happens when a bullet hits at speed. Anything other than a kill is pure luck.