The SNIP

[Deleted member 15344]

My 17 year old granddaughter is one for starters.
Owns her own business and drives a new Merc.
She can make over £2k on a busy week and has been known to work 14 hour days. Sometimes starting to see clients at 5.30am.

Sorry but I’m interested to know what job a 17 year old does to earn £2k a week and does the £2k go on insurance for a brand new Merc ?

 

[Wolf]

Sorry but I’m interested to know what job a 17 year old does to earn £2k a week and does the £2k go on insurance for a brand new Merc ?

I was just wondering the same thing, especially as that brand new Merc would need be bought outright as the dealership wouldn't be able to finance it for that age of customer unless mummy and daddy financed it, but then that wouldn't be the 17year olds car ?, insurance would be extortionate. Then that brings me back to what business are they running with that sort of turnover.

 

[patricks148]

I was just wondering the same thing, especially as that brand new Merc would d need be bought outright as the dealership woukdnt be able to finance it for that age of customer unless munmy and daddy financed it, but then that wouldn't be the 17year olds car ?, insurance would be extortionate. Then that brings me back to what business are they running with thay sort of turnover.

High class call girl?

only joking Doon

 

[ger147]

Sorry but I’m interested to know what job a 17 year old does to earn £2k a week and does the £2k go on insurance for a brand new Merc ?

I pay £2,200 per year to insure my 18 year old daughter's basic Ford Fiesta, I dread to think what a brand new merc would cost...

 

[drdel]

would this be offset against 300 year of tax, from its people, industry all going to westminster before devolution, of which 30 year would be the boom years fro Oils and gas... very little of which was ever re invested in Scotland
oh and lets not forget the re writing of the maritime map, which overnight moved a few of the biggest oilfields into english waters??

Its obvious you and I share different views. This subject is very emotional for some and is leading this thread down the path of knee-jerk bickering.

My opinion, and that's all it is, is based on my professional experience and I simply think that Independence for Scotland would be a grave error were it to occur.

However what I also think is damaging Scotland is the time being spent by the SNP miss-reading the signs in the world economy and trade. Companies hate uncertainty and that was removed when the vote of 2014 was taken. Now the, largely anti-Union, rhetoric has resurfaced which raises the question what internationally company would invest significant sums with that uncertainty hanging around when there are more stable business environments elsewhere?

 

[patricks148]

Its obvious you and I share different views. This subject is very emotional for some and is leading this thread down the path of knee-jerk bickering.

My opinion, and that's all it is, is based on my professional experience and I simply think that Independence for Scotland would be a grave error were it to occur.

However what I also think is damaging Scotland is the time being spent by the SNP miss-reading the signs in the world economy and trade. Companies hate uncertainty and that was removed when the vote of 2014 was taken. Now the, largely anti-Union, rhetoric has resurfaced which raises the question what internationally company would invest significant sums with that uncertainty hanging around when there are more stable business environments elsewhere?

you keep mentioning "uncertainty" but you appear fine with it as far as Brixit goes... whatever suites your argument i suppose

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Exactly loads of good reasons why they should have a vote(not that your list there are necessarily good ones, as IIRC two of them reasons you need parents permissions to do??)

I agree there are lots of good reasons, some other countries already allow it(not that many but some do).

The biggest concern I would have, would be are they free of undue influence and more likely to vote as told by their parents. Yeah I know the papers/internet blah blah blah affect 18 years old or older, but at 16 you are till very young in 'mental'/undue influence terms.

As I say whatever age you say 16,17,18,15 and so on, there are plenty of reason to or not to, a line has to be crossed in the line at an age. The rest is just arguments.

But paying tax is NOT a reason as it could mean a 10 year old would vote and then anyone not paying tax should not have a vote, hmmm interesting concept that. I do note you did not disagree with me over taxation(and I didn't comment before on anything else until this post)

Bit like my 90yr old MiL then...

In lead up to that Referendum we asked what she was going to vote. Then 87 she said 'Oot'. Why? because her friends Mrs T and Mrs K were voting Oot - though she didn't know why. In the end she didn't vote.

Mind you - now 90 she surprised us last week by revealing that she voted Green Party. Think she's been swayed by Greta Thunberg and gets climate change - also I'd like to think that - as she's from South Yorkshire - she rather liked the previous Mayor of Sheffield and soon to be redundant MEP - the Green Parties Magid Magid...

 

[drdel]

you keep mentioning "uncertainty" but you appear fine with it as far as Brixit goes... whatever suites your argument i suppose

I did indeed vote for the UK to leave the EU - I did not vote for the delay extended by the stupidity that unravelled in the HoC.

I took my view because I believe the EU is becoming unmanageable and is debt fuelled. As a net contributor and because many of the members see the UK as 'rich' we would face demands that would harm the UK. I also believe the EU is not in a fit state to address the issues facing the world's changing economies. Thus the 'uncertainty' is a necessary phase of change which the UK can finance. Scotland, on its own, does not IMO have the same economic resilience or size.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sorry but I’m interested to know what job a 17 year old does to earn £2k a week and does the £2k go on insurance for a brand new Merc ?

Her insurance is eye watering.
She is a very talented make up artist with her own salon.
Hopes to break into TV and films.

 

[PNWokingham]

so do you really think none of this has been considered?

course it has - and deliberately swept under the carpet as the answers are not what the SNP would want people to hear

 

[patricks148]

I did indeed vote for the UK to leave the EU - I did not vote for the delay extended by the stupidity that unravelled in the HoC.

I took my view because I believe the EU is becoming unmanageable and is debt fuelled. As a net contributor and because many of the members see the UK as 'rich' we would face demands that would harm the UK. I also believe the EU is not in a fit state to address the issues facing the world's changing economies. Thus the 'uncertainty' is a necessary phase of change which the UK can finance. Scotland, on its own, does not IMO have the same economic resilience or size.

i would suggest you didn't know what you were voting for then if you though it would be quick...

its not just the HOC the blame lies at, its one part of it... the Tory Party they spent 3 years making a horlicks of it, with most of the current Shower voting against TM deal.

I'm glad you said "in your opinion" as thats all it is

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

May be of interest to radio listeners...James O'Brien on LBC is currently (12:09 20/12) discussing Scottish Independence,

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Her insurance is eye watering.
She is a very talented make up artist with her own salon.
Hopes to break into TV and films.

Her own salon at 17 ? Fully qualified and certified?

Seriously ? Sorry but i think your are talking porkies there but if she has then it’s amazing she has been able to get a business at 17

 

[Jacko_G]

I dont think 16/17 year olds should have a vote on independence, it's too big for them and they have too little life experience to form a reasoned opinion.

From personal experience my friends and I were all anti English when we were teenagers and would have voted to leave in a heartbeat. we got pissed off at trivial things and were fuelled by braveheart and the kind of anti english pish that doon and co spout on here at any given opportunity.

But with age and responsibilities comes wisdom and the ability to think for ouselves. we have all lost the chip on our shoulders and are all against the break up of the union as we see the uncertainties and potential damage it could bring.

So anyone who is for independence has a chip.on their shoulder and has been influenced by Brave heart?

Great post.

Well thought out educated response. ?

 

[patricks148]

So anyone who is for independence has a chip.on their shoulder and has been influenced by Brave heart?

Great post.

Well thought out educated response. ?

Freeeedomm

 

[Jacko_G]

Freeeedomm

I think Lob has been on the whisky

 

[Fade and Die]

Her insurance is eye watering.
She is a very talented make up artist with her own salon.
Hopes to break into TV and films.

Is what she tells mum and dad!?

 

[Jacko_G]

Some absolutely pathetic responses attacking a 17 year old girl.

Poor form.

 

[patricks148]

Some absolutely pathetic responses attacking a 17 year old girl.

Poor form.

in my defence i was only joking

 

[lobthewedge]

So anyone who is for independence has a chip.on their shoulder and has been influenced by Brave heart?

Great post.

Well thought out educated response. ?

My post clearly made out it was my younger more immature self that carried the chip on my shoulder and had this mentality, pretty typical of many Scottish teenagers in the late 90's i would reckon.

Read the post again and stop twisting my words.