The relief of finding a lost ball.

[user2010]

Oh it was a good drive coz I found it and finished with a par :whoo:

When we had finished, Derek Randall ( ex England international cricketer and 3 X pointless answer on the BBC show ) and the rest of his fourball came in ( about, coz I did not time it ) 25 mins after us. We asked him where they had been. "We stopped for a flask of tea on the back nine and had a natter". Not sure what the R and A ruling is on that one. Am sure someone on here will know though.

Err, no you didn't, you found it after 5 minutes of looking for it and cheated to a Par, pal.

 

[user2010]

read the op. there is no doubt.

from my point of view it looks like he carried on looking for a ball beyond the 5 mins as until that point he was on for a good score and didn't want it spoiled by what he felt was actually a decent drive.

the efforts of d4s etc to some how exonerate him are quite sad.

Nail on head right there Paddy. 100%

 

[ColchesterFC]

At what point do you have to start the 5 minutes for the search? For instance, if I've hit my ball further than the other 3 in my 4 ball and it's them to play first. If I wander up the side of the fairway having a cursory glance to see if I can spot it in the rough while they play their shots is that part of the 5 minutes? Or does it start after they have played and I start "properly" looking for my ball?

 

[user2010]

What if he was only searching for 4 mins 50 seconds though?

He wasn't though, read the OP again and stop where it says:-
"We spent five mins looking for it and found four balls but not mine. I was spitting feathers. I said to PP am just gonna have a look down the Lhs past the tree. I was just turning back having walked 50 yd and given up the ghost "





Now inwardly digest those highlighted words, are things getting any clearer?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Backwoodman's post no 42 sums this up for me

"Whilst one can see his words as they appear "on the page", l think we appreciate that Tashy's literary style is a little idiosyncratic, and it usually requires a liberal rather than literal degree of interpretation. I suspect that in his exuberance he probably didn’t phrase things quite as precisely as necessary to satisfy us pedants.

Any hoo - they never could tell the time up there !!

And any hoo more - although l can't remember where i saw it, l thought it was pretty well established that players who think they've looked for 5 min without timing themselves, usually havent got anywhere near? "

The last part about time perception is key for me, clearly nobody in Tashy group were timing the search with watches, therefore there has to be a doubt as to the actual time taken.

Without facts there is reasonable doubt, in which case if Tashy and his playing partners are happy with the outcome, then there is nothing further to be said and no action to be taken.

Calls for him to be burnt at the stake for heresy are a bit OTT.

Sometimes you just have to be reasonable,

 

[user2010]

Black and White from the R&A
http://www.randa.org/Rules-of-Golf/...isional-Ball#903195E462E248218BEF74451DA2E23E


Thank you and goodnight.
'Fess up to your Committee Cheatyboy.

 

[user2010]

Backwoodman's post no 42 sums this up for me

"Whilst one can see his words as they appear "on the page", l think we appreciate that Tashy's literary style is a little idiosyncratic, and it usually requires a liberal rather than literal degree of interpretation. I suspect that in his exuberance he probably didn’t phrase things quite as precisely as necessary to satisfy us pedants.

Any hoo - they never could tell the time up there !!

And any hoo more - although l can't remember where i saw it, l thought it was pretty well established that players who think they've looked for 5 min without timing themselves, usually havent got anywhere near? "

The last part about time perception is key for me, clearly nobody in Tashy group were timing the search with watches, therefore there has to be a doubt as to the actual time taken.

Without facts there is reasonable doubt, in which case if Tashy and his playing partners are happy with the outcome, then there is nothing further to be said and no action to be taken.

Calls for him to be burnt at the stake for heresy are a bit OTT.

Sometimes you just have to be reasonable,

Yes there are facts, read Post#84 where I've highlighted and the OP

Now you're just being ridiculous.

No, you have to play to the Rules so that it's fair to everyone playing on the day.

 

[Imurg]

Let's move sideways for a moment.
Let's assume that Tashy's search wasn't timed..
He still has his 5 minutes to find it but judging that 5 minutes is obviously tricky.
He finds his ball eventually.
He thinks he's within the 5 minutes, his PP/FC are ok with his assessment.

What then.....?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Yes there are facts, read Post#84 where I've highlighted and the OP

Now you're just being ridiculous.

No, you have to play to the Rules so that it's fair to everyone playing on the day.

No the five minute thing is not a fact, it is a piece of guesswork on the part of Tashy and his group.

You don't know and I don't know and even Tashy won't know
You can debate this till the cows come home, but there is doubt about the actual time taken.

Not a fact , So don't try and make it one

 

[Marshy77]

And the message board continues to sink to new lows. Bickering adults trying out smart each other over the timing of looking for a golf ball.

 

[chrisd]

Sometimes you just have to be reasonable,

Try telling that to the "anti Aimpoint brigade"

 

[JohnnyDee]

You know, reading this thread reminds me the time I won the Club Champs with 15 clubs in my bag and I...

No...wait a minute...err...I thought...no... hang on...ahh...


Oh dear! :mmm:

 

[guest100718]

No the five minute thing is not a fact, it is a piece of guesswork on the part of Tashy and his group.

You don't know and I don't know and even Tashy won't know
You can debate this till the cows come home, but there is doubt about the actual time taken.

Not a fact , So don't try and make it one

you seem to be in possession of facts that are not in the OP. I've seen nothing to suggest he was unaware of the exact timing.

I'm not convinced that would make any difference anyway.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

you seem to be in possession of facts that are not in the OP. I've seen nothing to suggest he was unaware of the exact timing.

I'm not convinced that would make any difference anyway.

The time of five mins was not to a second. Coulda been 5.02 😁

That suggests to me that Tashy was unaware of the exact timing

 

[PhilTheFragger]

you seem to be in possession of facts that are not in the OP. I've seen nothing to suggest he was unaware of the exact timing.

I'm not convinced that would make any difference anyway.

Clearly if someone was timing it with a watch, if 5 minutes had passed on the watch, one of his Pp's would have picked him up on it

"Sorry tash, that's your 5 minutes done"
" ok thanks for looking lads"
10 seconds later " lads found it"
" that's tough Tashy out of time, play your provo, back to the tee or play that one with a 2 shot penalty, ''

You can only enforce this rule if someone times the search, otherwise time is subjective

 

[guest100718]

That suggests to me that Tashy was unaware of the exact timing

Maybe it was 6.02 then but that's OK as long as he was roughly there's abouts. silly me .

 

[sawtooth]

Clearly if someone was timing it with a watch, if 5 minutes had passed on the watch, one of his Pp's would have picked him up on it

"Sorry tash, that's your 5 minutes done"
" ok thanks for looking lads"
10 seconds later " lads found it"
" that's tough Tashy out of time, play your provo, back to the tee or play that one with a 2 shot penalty, ''

You can only enforce this rule if someone times the search, otherwise time is subjective

The fact that the OP stated himself that he had searched for 5 mins BEFORE finding his ball confirmed a rule breach.

If he had said 3 minutes instead we would all have reasonably assumed that he had found the ball in good time.

 

[ManinBlack]

At what point do you have to start the 5 minutes for the search? For instance, if I've hit my ball further than the other 3 in my 4 ball and it's them to play first. If I wander up the side of the fairway having a cursory glance to see if I can spot it in the rough while they play their shots is that part of the 5 minutes? Or does it start after they have played and I start "properly" looking for my ball?

What you do is make sure your fellow competitors get there & start searching for it first. As soon as you join them the 5 minutes begins. "Having a cursory glance" is the beginning of the search.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Tashy me man, you've messed up here mate, whether that's how it actually happened or you've put your spin on it.

What you've posted has caused this, immaterial whether you searched for 2 minutes or 4 minutes 59 seconds, your op says searched for 5, given up the ghost and then walked another 50yds looking.

So you were out of time to play your original ball, in no way do I think you've cheated as it seems you got carried away in the moment of finding your original ball, but from what you've put you were incorrect to play it. The thread should've been about what could of been and the importance of timing the 5 minutes.

If this had been posted in the rules section there would not be any doubts.

Now we've got people explaining how and what you did and making stuff up in your defence.

The thread is more about the posters than the actual posts.

 

[guest100718]

Tashy me man, you've messed up here mate, whether that's how it actually happened or you've put your spin on it.

What you've posted has caused this, immaterial whether you searched for 2 minutes or 4 minutes 59 seconds, your op says searched for 5, given up the ghost and then walked another 50yds looking.

So you were out of time to play your original ball, in no way do I think you've cheated as it seems you got carried away in the moment of finding your original ball, but from what you've put you were incorrect to play it. The thread should've been about what could of been and the importance of timing the 5 minutes.

If this had been posted in the rules section there would not be any doubts.

Now we've got people explaining how and what you did and making stuff up in your defence.

The thread is more about the posters than the actual posts.

quite a good summary.