MegaSteve
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Will you be OK when Gavin Williamson gets a position in Boris's cabinet?
The next PM.
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Will you be OK when Gavin Williamson gets a position in Boris's cabinet?
Taz
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He's resigned.
Tashyboy
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So it seems he has fell upon his sword/pen.
Quite right to.
Quite right to.
why he was absolutely right in his assessment of Trump and his administration.
who leaked the private memo should be the one getting it
Tashyboy
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And i am sure that the person who leaked it will be hung drawn and quartered. However he did what was the “ honourable thing to doâ€. Honourable is not a word that is used very often during this governments time.
His resignation makes things a little easier for the next PM and also helps un our “ special relationship “ with the USA.
Taz
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Send Sadiq Khan out to replace him 😂
he isn't a member of the Gov though he is a civil servant and as for the special relationship, as with Trumps election Motto "America First" what ever they do would be in the Us interest not ours.
there was a similar leak a few years ago by the US embassy who, said things very similar to this, that ministers were incompetent and some quite personal comments, i don't remember many calls or a big deal being made of that that they should sack the US ambassador or the sanctity of the "special Relationship"
SwingsitlikeHogan
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UK Ambassador resigns - and Political Editor of Daily Mail - Jason Groves - and other sources state that he resigned after he saw Boris Johnson fail to provide full support for him last night. Well done BeeJay - best clean yer tongue - and then ask someone to get the ex-ambassador out from under the bus you threw him last night.
And so BeeJay is most probably going to be our PM - leading us out of the EU without an agreement. God help us...!
But never mind - it's what the Tories want and what the people voted for.
And so BeeJay is most probably going to be our PM - leading us out of the EU without an agreement. God help us...!
But never mind - it's what the Tories want and what the people voted for.
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SocketRocket
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So it was Boris's fault 🙄
MegaSteve
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Well, at least he's only having to resign not languish in jail for five years...
Wolf
Well-known member
Fail to see how the ambassadors issue is Boris fault.
The ambassador threw himself under the bus with his actions. Whether people agree with or not there was no other outcome possible
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Sorry - the Ambassador was simply doing his job - presenting his consolidated understanding of how Trump is viewed by others.
In most workplaces - if due to no fault of his own a member of staff is in some difficulties with a customer - a decent and responsible manager will back up his member of staff and will pick up the issue and look to resolve it with the customer. He will not shirk his managerial responsibilities and equivocate; throw his staffer under a bus; and make his staffer's position untenable and force his resignation. These are the circumstances where staffers take companies to court for constructive dismissal.
In just two weeks time BeeJay would have been his boss - the UK Ambassador could reasonably have expected some support - if not a vote of confidence - from him. But no. BeeJay was clearly more interested in not upsetting his buddy Trump - in fact BeeJay looked somewhat uncomfortable when he was blustering and hand-waving his prevaricative answer to the question. He knew what he was doing and what might the outcome be.
ger147
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Boris is NOT his boss, TM and her cabinet are and they gave him their 100% support.
No idea how you can try and pin his resignation on a Tory back bencher...
SocketRocket
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He's (can you please stop this silly BeeJay, its juvenile) not the Prime Minister so not able to do anything as a back bencher.
Imagine a different scenario in business. You have a customer who is responsible for a large amount of your business, without this business you would need to lose half of your employees. Your sales Manager sends an email around criticising the CEO of the company and the way he manages the board of Directors, the email ends up at customers inbox by mistake. The CEO demands that he never deals with your Sales Manager again otherwise he will take his orders to your competitor who has been working hard to get this contract from you. You try to pacify him but he will not budge. Honestly, what would you do?
Wolf
Well-known member
Sorry but you're living in lala land if you think Boris has anything to do with this or is failing him in anyway..
Boris is not his boss, Teresa May is and she backed him. Trump whether you like it or not is the leader of one of our biggest Allies. So if Boris whilst trying to be elected and show he has support of a major world leading figure whether you like him or not then in fact Boris is doing his job correctly. It is I'll repeat in this countries interest to have America onside whether you like their leader or not. POTUS has publicly said the US will not deal with Sir Kim. So what do you expect would happen, do you propose that Boris just backs him and says up yours America. Considering the mess brexit has us in that would be a wonderful thing to do wouldn't it 🙄
The fact you keep belittling the man calling him BeeJay and now trying to blame him for someone else actions, for not backing him when he is NOT his boss is laughable and says more about your bias in not liking the man than it does of any political nous.
Then comparing that to a customer service issue is even more laughable. Its in no way comparable, the trust of a nation we need onside compared to upsetting a customer is leagues apart.
I'm sorry SILH but you've had a complete brain fart with that one.
MegaSteve
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Anyone care to offer up an excuse for Boris and his failings with regard Nazanin Ratcliffe? Or can that be swept under the carpet also?
In the words of a 'proper tory' (Malcom Rifkind) Boris was given a chance to shine as FS... And, he didn't...
In the words of a 'proper tory' (Malcom Rifkind) Boris was given a chance to shine as FS... And, he didn't...
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
A very good read, written by a tory no less.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...eading-disaster?amp&__twitter_impression=true
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...eading-disaster?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Must admit I'm a bit torn on who is correct in their assessment of the ambassadors character. On one side you have Trump and Piers Morgan and in the other the head of the British diplomatic service. Mmm tough one.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
He makes a few good points regarding the way people have seen their country socially engineered by the Liberal Elete without consideration of its effects on the most vunerable.
Other than that its largely biased waffle and used by you to support your own opinion. Can you imagine what this thread would be like if we all trawled through the internet to find editorials that support our personal views then post them up as a good read 🙄
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
There is only one place for blame here and that's with who ever leaked the information and anyone complicent in it. Trump has reacted as expected and Morgan et al are giving their opinions.
