The next PM.

Liverpoolphil said:
😂

All the twisting and turning when it suits 😂

Guess the argument only fits when it backs up your own point - when it’s turned around it’s dismissed 😂😂😂
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You are not making any sense. I have pointed out the nonsense in your posts and you seem incapable of defending it, so you post this absurd reply that makes you appear somewhat juvenile. If you cant defend your stance without this assenous level of reply then just give up 🙄
 
SocketRocket said:
Why do you suggest that if we leave the EU we will also lose all our trade in Europe. Leaving the EU is in reality a change in trading arrangements, trade will continue and there should not be much difference. A small number of products will be affected by tarrifs but that would be the same for both parties and as the UK holds a net trading deficit we will not be the only ones wanting a new trade arrangement. I find it hard to understand why people like you continue to make these assertions that trade will stop. I also disagree with your suggestion we would be breaking a fruitful true special relationship, all we do is pay through the nose for an organisation we have always been uneasy with and wants to lead us down a road of closer political union which dilutes us into a grey gloop of subservient countries. History tells us this will never work.
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Liverpoolphil said:
It’s certainly similar to Brexit etc

Just imagine that big business is the UK and who is the UK biggest customer - oh the EU , and you lose that biggest customer just think of all the wages and jobs that could potentially go 🙄

But of course your thinking is different there isn’t it - you are more than happy to lose that biggest customer in search of newer better ones on the horizon 🙄

I’m guessing the point of my post flew right over your head - but it’s interesting to see your different principles

Don’t upset the USA and do all that’s required to keep that “special” relationship ( where everything is in the US favour ) but break that much more fruitful true special relationship with the EU no matter what the cost and as quick as possible

Maybe it’s just me but I guess it’s a touch hypocritical
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You both need to look at it from both perspectives. You are both right.
 
Oh please! How about we dredge up some stuff on Churchill too? One of the biggest rebels ever, switched parties at least once, and look how he is so well respected.

I dislike Johnson immensely but do we have to go back to what he did at nursery school to make a point?
 
Hobbit said:
Oh please! How about we dredge up some stuff on Churchill too? One of the biggest rebels ever, switched parties at least once, and look how he is so well respected.

I dislike Johnson immensely but do we have to go back to what he did at nursery school to make a point?
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Churchill isn't about to become Prime Minister, Johnson is. These videos show the character of the man and some of the events are recent enough to matter. We aren't talking about a one off regrettable incident when he was young, he's been like this throughout his life and remains the same today.
 
gmc40 said:
Churchill isn't about to become Prime Minister, Johnson is. These videos show the character of the man and some of the events are recent enough to matter. We aren't talking about a one off regrettable incident when he was young, he's been like this throughout his life and remains the same today.
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Everyone and is dog knows he's a Richard, and then some but... really.... its gonna happen whatever. I'd rather spend my time eating tapas and drinking beer than trawling the internet to prove what everyone already knows...
 
Hobbit said:
Everyone and is dog knows he's a Richard, and then some but... really.... its gonna happen whatever. I'd rather spend my time eating tapas and drinking beer than trawling the internet to prove what everyone already knows...
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Fair point but you could apply that logic to pretty much most threads in here. What’s the point? May as all just pack up and watch the telly!

And if you’re eating Tapas and drinking beer you shouldn’t be responding to me!
 
It is perhaps interesting that being 'on top of the detail' means for Johnson that it is not necessary to know anything about WTO GATT Article XXIV Para 5c - when that paragraph is in it's entirety the following:

any interim agreement referred to in subparagraphs (a) and (b) shall include a plan and schedule for the formation of such a customs union or of such a free-trade area within a reasonable length of time.

A rather crucial paragraph one might think...

And when being grilled by Andrew Neil, I do wonder why he did not quote Article XXIV Paragraph 10 (about which I do not actually hear that much debate) which allows paras 5 through 9 to be flexed or relaxed if a 2/3rds majority of 'members' of the WTO agree to do so - provided that proposals put forward to the WTO by the UK and the EU are in the spirit of Article XXIV.

Maybe he had been so advised but under pressure from Neil he had forgotten. Neil was being rather pressing...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
It is perhaps interesting that being 'on top of the detail' means for Johnson that it is not necessary to know anything about WTO GATT Article XXIV Para 5c - when that paragraph is in it's entirety the following:

any interim agreement referred to in subparagraphs (a) and (b) shall include a plan and schedule for the formation of such a customs union or of such a free-trade area within a reasonable length of time.

A rather crucial paragraph one might think...

And when being grilled by Andrew Neil, I do wonder why he did not quote Article XXIV Paragraph 10 (about which I do not actually hear that much debate) which allows paras 5 through 9 to be flexed or relaxed if a 2/3rds majority of 'members' of the WTO agree to do so - provided that proposals put forward to the WTO by the UK and the EU are in the spirit of Article XXIV.

Maybe he had been so advised but under pressure from Neil he had forgotten. Neil was being rather pressing...
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I really don't think joe public care about the detail, Brexit has become such an entrenched battle that 'winning' is all that matters and Johnson supporters love him no matter what he says or doesn't say. If Johnson gets UK out by Halloween he'll be revered by half the country and loathed by the other half, no matter the after effects. There will be no 'healing' or coming together with Johnson, the healing will come with a later PM, a new face, all current players are tainted by Brexit, no matter their views on it.
 
maxfli65 said:
I really don't think joe public care about the detail, Brexit has become such an entrenched battle that 'winning' is all that matters and Johnson supporters love him no matter what he says or doesn't say. If Johnson gets UK out by Halloween he'll be revered by half the country and loathed by the other half, no matter the after effects. There will be no 'healing' or coming together with Johnson, the healing will come with a later PM, a new face, all current players are tainted by Brexit, no matter their views on it.
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Yup - that's where we are...

The pity is that so many Johnson supporters just hear the words - especially around No Deal - and think it is all just going to be OK because Johnson says so - when Johnson by his own utterances doesn't himself really seem to have a full grip of some of the basics.

That I might not understand the detail of such as Article 24 opens me up to criticism - and I accept that. I am not one of the many business, commerce, trade and negotiation experts on here who level such accusations at me - and I admit to my ignorance in many such matters - I am just one of joe public who has tried to understand by reading and listening. But if I am ignorant in respect of WTO GATT Art24 then so, as you suggest, are the vast majority of the electorate - but were I to suggest such an ignorance of supporters of No Deal I would be accused of calling Leave voters stupid - when as we all know there is a very big difference between stupidity and ignorance.

The truth of it - in my opinion - is that when we voted the vast majority of the electorate were completely ignorant of WTO GATT Article 24 and it's implications in respect of leaving without a deal - No Deal not actually being on the table at that time and only appearing as a Dave Davies negotiating strategy post vote.

But there you go. Roll on a No Deal withdrawal with Johnson as PM.
 
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