The last one I promise (rules)

[MashieNiblick]

Ok, without looking anything up, I'd say playing 3 and he replaces ball on tee.

Shot 1 the air shot. Player "swings violently at the ball" so intention is to hit it so its a stroke and the ball is in play.
Shot 2 a penalty shot for hitting ball while swinging club but without intending to. Same as for hitting ball with practice swing. Stroke is cancelled ball is replaced - penalty one shot. So
Playing shot 3 from the tee. If original ball cannot be retrieved he can substitute another ball.

Incidently why do people think the fact that an OOB is behind a tee makes it irrelevant? The location of the OOB doesn't matter surely? OOB is OOB isn't it? If you hit a tee marker with your drive and the ball bounces behind you and goes OOB behind the tee its OOB. How else would you proceed?

In this case I think it's irrelevant because the stroke is cancelled, not because it's behind the tee.

 

[bladeplayer]

Ok, without looking anything up, I'd say playing 3 and he replaces ball on tee.

Shot 1 the air shot. Player "swings violently at the ball" so intention is to hit it so its a stroke and the ball is in play.
Shot 2 a penalty shot for hitting ball while swinging club but without intending to. Same as for hitting ball with practice swing. Stroke is cancelled ball is replaced - penalty one shot. So
Playing shot 3 from the tee. If original ball cannot be retrieved he can substitute another ball.

Incidently why do people think the fact that an OOB is behind a tee makes it irrelevant? The location of the OOB doesn't matter surely? OOB is OOB isn't it? If you hit a tee marker with your drive and the ball bounces behind you and goes OOB behind the tee its OOB. How else would you proceed?

In this case I think it's irrelevant because the stroke is cancelled, not because it's behind the tee.

I agree i think the OOB in this case might not be relevent coz IMO the ball was never in play .. but i agree with you OOB is relevent no mater what its location

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Has the ball become the ball in play yet?

It must be, otherwise how do you get penalised for the air shot?

 

[bobmac]

Did the instinctive swing in anger backward swipe count as a stroke?

 

[bladeplayer]

Did the instinctive swing in anger backward swipe count as a stroke?

no ? aaaagh bob

 

[MashieNiblick]

Just realised that when the player actually hits the ball backwards it isn't technically a "stroke" as he didn't intend to hit it. Think the answer is essentially the same though.

 

[kid2]

My take would be that the initial miss was 1 stroke swinging back in anger is stroke no.2 im thinking then that seeing as its gone OOB he has to take a penalty drop from the balls original position or the closest point of relief and play his 4th shot from where the ball lies....
Am i right in thinking that he cant replace his ball back on the tee?

Option 2 is that he looses 1 stroke for the miss and 1 for the backwards hit and as it hasnt physically gone forwards and onto the course through the tee markers he is allowed replace the ball on the tee again and hit 3 off the tee.

But then i may be talking through my arse

 

[Region3]

I reckon he tees up another ball and is playing 2. Just a penalty for the air shot as the backwards hit isn't classed as a stroke and the ball isn't in play so accidental moving of it carries no penalty.

 

[timgolfy]

Semi-agree with Region.

Once the initial forward stroke is made, surely the ball is now in play. So 1 stroke there. The backward swing is not classed as a swing, so no stroke for that, however he caused the ball to move which is one penalty stroke. The fact that it's out of bounds is now irrelevant since you can't be penalised for accidentally moving the ball OOB!

So the ball gets replaced on the tee (its original position before being moved), and now playing 3?

As the ball is now in play, if it's moved off the tee at address, that's another penalty stroke. Does it then get re-teed?

 

[kid2]

Semi-agree with Region.

Once the initial forward stroke is made, surely the ball is now in play. So 1 stroke there. The backward swing is not classed as a swing, so no stroke for that, however he caused the ball to move which is one penalty stroke. The fact that it's out of bounds is now irrelevant since you can't be penalised for accidentally moving the ball OOB!

So the ball gets replaced on the tee (its original position before being moved), and now playing 3?

As the ball is now in play, if it's moved off the tee at address, that's another penalty stroke. Does it then get re-teed?

Bob put us out of our misery

Also i thought that when swinging backwards regardless of the manner is considered a move away from the ball if its addressed...So would this not carry a 1 stroke penalty?

 

[Region3]

Semi-agree with Region.

Once the initial forward stroke is made, surely the ball is now in play. So 1 stroke there. The backward swing is not classed as a swing, so no stroke for that, however he caused the ball to move which is one penalty stroke. The fact that it's out of bounds is now irrelevant since you can't be penalised for accidentally moving the ball OOB!

So the ball gets replaced on the tee (its original position before being moved), and now playing 3?

As the ball is now in play, if it's moved off the tee at address, that's another penalty stroke. Does it then get re-teed?

When I first thought about it that's what I came up with, but...
Say the golfer didn't act the knob and hit the ball backwards in anger. The ball is still on the tee and he's playing 2.
Can he reposition his tee and ball?
Would it be a stroke if he then addressed the ball and tapped it off the tee?

I reckon both of the above would be as if it were his first shot ie. yes he can move the tee and no penalty for knocking it off the tee, ergo the ball is not in play.

QED

Thankyouverymuch.

Maybe

 

[timgolfy]

I pretty certain that after taking a swing (and missing) the ball is "in play" so cannot be touched without penalty. So if it gets knocked off the tee it's a penalty stroke. But can it then be replaced on the tee? Probably yes, because it was not an intentional "stroke" made at the ball, but moved in error.

 

[bobmac]

I'm not 100% sure I can remember the answer to this. I was hoping one of you clever lot would jog my memory
I'll check this for you tomorrow and report back.

 

[USER1999]

Bob, you're getting old!

 

[Region3]

I'm changing my mind

Now agree with Tim, and the ball is in play when you air shot it. The hit in anger is an accidental movement of the ball costing 1 further shot and the ball must be replaced, now playing 3.

Don't know if it should be dropped or teed up though.

Good question Bob. Pack it in!

 

[bobmac]

Bob, you're getting old!

My memory is still sharp as a razor Charlie

 

[Leftie]

I pretty certain that after taking a swing (and missing) the ball is "in play" so cannot be touched without penalty. So if it gets knocked off the tee it's a penalty stroke. But can it then be replaced on the tee? Probably yes, because it was not an intentional "stroke" made at the ball, but moved in error.

Is near enough the correct answer.

A "stroke" refers to the forward motion of the club.

Air shot = 1 stroke and the ball is in play.
Moving the ball either intentionally or not = 1 stroke penalty and replace the ball.

3 off the tee.

The fact that the ball went OOB is not relevant. (And even if it were then you would replay from the original position).

 

[Region3]

Is near enough the correct answer.

A "stroke" refers to the forward motion of the club.

Air shot = 1 stroke and the ball is in play.
Moving the ball either intentionally or not = 1 stroke penalty and replace the ball.

3 off the tee.

On the tee?

Do you put the tee back in if you knocked it out?

 

[0]

fresh air = stroke 1
ball in play now and as he has hit the ball unintentionally now = 1 penalty shot and replace ball irrespective that it went OOB.
So replace on the teeing area (not sure if it should go back on a tee though) and now playing 3 off the tee/ing area

damn good rules questions, I want more please

 

[kid2]

I'm not 100% sure I can remember the answer to this. I was hoping one of you clever lot would jog my memory
I'll check this for you tomorrow and report back.

Whats for the winner Bob?