The great drive for dough putt for show debate thread.

[Voyager EMH]

Of course. Thats the nature of averages.
And would agree, mids who become low single digit, probably have the speed to begin with.
There was in the past though, a tendency to view speed/length as more of a you-have-what-you-have fixed thing. Now its clear that the majority can probably gain 5-10mph club head speed. And thats a useful difference.

Also, probably influenced by old litterature, and those of use who remember using wooden woods, distance would have been regarded as less limiting a factor in ones golfing potential in the past. Now it is clear, from better data, and the step change in equipment 25ish years ago, that distance is the unavoidable key. You will not reach low singles if you only hit it 200yds. You probably play off low singles or better, if you can hit it 290, almost no matter what else the rest of your game.

This may be true for the audience you are addressing.

Wild speculation on my part coming up:
Take the top 50 or 150 tour pros in the world, bring them to my club, no club in the bag longer than their 200 yard club, get them to play 20 rounds. Very few, if any, would end up with a handicap index above 4. Several would get a + handicap. Their overall ability and experience would get them plenty of birdies on the five par 3s and the three par 5s.

 

[Deleted member 31467]

Yes, what is so funny ?

The crap you come out with. You have spouted some serious BS in this thread.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

The crap you come out with

And this is why we have a thread discussing other threads descending into arguments.

 

[Deleted member 31467]

And this is why we have a thread discussing other threads descending into arguments.

Have a word with your mate. I'm quite happy to have a proper discussion but I'm getting a bit fed up with his constant ill-informed nonsense.

 

[Backsticks]

This may be true for the audience you are addressing.

Wild speculation on my part coming up:
Take the top 50 or 150 tour pros in the world, bring them to my club, no club in the bag longer than their 200 yard club, get them to play 20 rounds. Very few, if any, would end up with a handicap index above 4. Several would get a + handicap. Their overall ability and experience would get them plenty of birdies on the five par 3s and the three par 5s.

Yes, the numbers would be consistent with your speculation. They would lose the 4.5 shots gained on driving. And some of the 9 on approach. Far from it all though - they would still be just hitting a pair of 7 irons to a 380yd hole for example. But wouldnt be making par 5s in two. So maybe lose 3-4 shots.
Short game and putting the same.
So they would be about scratch. I dont think any would even go as high as 4.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Have a word with your mate. I'm quite happy to have a proper discussion but I'm getting a bit fed up with his constant ill-informed nonsense.

Don't read it then.
I find it amusing and entertaining.

 

[Deleted member 31467]

Don't read it then.
I find it amusing and entertaining.

Fair enough, crack on feeding the troll.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Fair enough, crack on feeding the troll.

You do that far better than me.
I don't feel any need to "feed" him.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Fair enough, crack on feeding the troll.

Why is he trolling? Much of what has been said is true. You might not agree with it, which is fine. But at least try to counter the points made with rational arguments or evidence to support your point of view.

 

[Deleted member 31467]

Why is he trolling? Much of what has been said is true. You might not agree with it, which is fine. But at least try to counter the points made with rational arguments or evidence to support your point of view.

MOST of what he has said is not true.

I quote "You will not reach low single figures if you hit it 200 yards" Well that ain't true, I know dozens that have. Not every course is 7000 yards long. The average UK course is probably around 6200 yards, pretty easy to get to single figures hitting it 200 yards. That's just one example of the inaccuracies he has posted, I can't be bothered looking back for more but this thread is littered with them.

And on that note, I am now done with this thread.

 

[Backsticks]

MOST of what he has said is not true.

I quote "You will not reach low single figures if you hit it 200 yards" Well that ain't true, I know dozens that have. Not every course is 7000 yards long. The average UK course is probably around 6200 yards, pretty easy to get to single figures hitting it 200 yards. That's just one example of the inaccuracies he has posted, I can't be bothered looking back for more but this thread is littered with them.

And on that note, I am now done with this thread.

The length of the course they play has nothing to do with handicap potential...

 

[Voyager EMH]

MOST of what he has said is not true.

I quote "You will not reach low single figures if you hit it 200 yards" Well that ain't true, I know dozens that have. Not every course is 7000 yards long. The average UK course is probably around 6200 yards, pretty easy to get to single figures hitting it 200 yards. That's just one example of the inaccuracies he has posted, I can't be bothered looking back for more but this thread is littered with them.

And on that note, I am now done with this thread.

If you take him to mean that he was stating an absolute. I did not take it that way.
"You will not reach low singles if you only hit it 200yds" will be true often enough to make it a valid statement for its intended audience.
There may be a case of someone getting to 5 handicap before they could hit it 200 yards, but it seems so unlikely that finding great annoyance with his statement is ridiculous.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

The % of people who get to low single figures is tiny. We’re talking about something like 3% of people who have a handicap.

Sure, within that 3% there will be someone who only hits the ball 200 yards. But it’s not many and they sure as hell aren’t doing it on a long course.

 

[Orikoru]

Have a word with your mate. I'm quite happy to have a proper discussion but I'm getting a bit fed up with his constant ill-informed nonsense.

Quit throwing stones in that glass house of yours!

 

[Deleted member 31467]

Quit throwing stones in that glass house of yours!

How's your handicap doing, hitting it far enough to be single figures yet?

 

[Orikoru]

How's your handicap doing, hitting it far enough to be single figures yet?

No?

 

[BrianM]

How's your handicap doing, hitting it far enough to be single figures yet?

Absolutely no requirement for that.

 

[Deleted member 31467]

Absolutely no requirement for that.

True but there was no requirement for the previous comment that provoked it either.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

At my course if a player could only hit it a max of 200 yards off the tee you would be left with the following yardages to the middle of the green. This is obviously ignoring any wind which is significant where I play, or elevation which is only really a factor on a few holes.

Also, we need to take into consideration that if someone is maxed out at 200 off the tee, they will more than like struggle to hit it 190 off the deck. Even assuming they find the centre of every fairway with every tee shot. There is probably 6 holes they aren’t getting to in 2. And others that are borderline. There is a couple that will require a wood or long iron and only one of the par 3s will be comfortable. One is 197 uphill so they aren’t reaching that and the others around 170.

155
197
336*
207
186
325*
236
172
357*
104
189
190
252
357*

* denotes par 5

One would need the best short game on the planet to attain a low single figure handicap being so short off the tee.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Have a word with your mate. I'm quite happy to have a proper discussion but I'm getting a bit fed up with his constant ill-informed nonsense.

He’s no mate of mine. I disagree with plenty he says.

Many of your counter arguments have been anecdotal or hypothetical. If his points are so ill informed, counter them with facts.