The Footie Thread

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Was an error on bolding out the bit I was replying too

Again as is said I don’t think it would work in football


But in other sports where it is time done and play on until the ball is dead then the defending team will kick it dead the game , it’s not cheating , why would they keep it alive just so the oppo might be able to score

Apology accepted.

You’re purposely missing the point to prove your own. I’ll reiterate it once, I’m not saying it’s cheating I’m saying fans will claim they’ve been cheated. There’s a difference in actual cheating and perception of fans. How many times on here alone do we see people claiming they’ve been cheated or hard done by. This is just another one of those things they’d claim in the same way.

Like I said you’re purposely missing the point and so for a 3rd and final time I am out and won’t post further so quote away and press your point home. Mines been made and anyone with an inkling of how fans behave will get what I mean. Have a good day mate I’ve a delivery to wait for

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Is that a problem though? There is still certainty that when the ball goes out, it is game over.

Beat me to it.

 

[Swango1980]

What about if the keeper has the ball and his team only need a point to secure league position or his team are 1-0 up. All he has to do is throw the ball into touch, same goes for a player anywhere on the pitch they just hoof it into touch to end the game in their favour! No thanks that’s just open to abuse and not in the spirit of playing a competitive match.

Nothing wrong with playing to the whistle , definitely a case if it’s not broke don’t try to fix it on that one.

Nothing wrong with that. Trying to see how that could be abused? Do they not do something similar in rugby? Is that controversial?

Or, just play to 90 mins, game ends. I am not hugely in favour or either option. I'm simply in favour of having a visible game clock, and knowing when the game will actually end. And understanding better when stoppages are taken into account. There is no need for any secrets or guesswork in my opinon

 

[Neilds]

What about if the keeper has the ball and his team only need a point to secure league position or his team are 1-0 up. All he has to do is throw the ball into touch, same goes for a player anywhere on the pitch they just hoof it into touch to end the game in their favour! No thanks that’s just open to abuse and not in the spirit of playing a competitive match.

Nothing wrong with playing to the whistle , definitely a case if it’s not broke don’t try to fix it on that one.

Obviously won't get a reply as you are out - but how is this any different to what goes on nowadays? Shielding the ball in the corner, passing back and sideways with no attacking intent, etc.

 

[PaulMdj]

Obviously won't get a reply as you are out - but how is this any different to what goes on nowadays? Shielding the ball in the corner, passing back and sideways with no attacking intent, etc.

Sadly, imo, that is not viewed as time wasting as the ball is in play.

This is one of the reasons I don’t like the idea of a play clock.

American Football is the prime example when at the end of a game a team winning and with possession can simply waste time.

 

[PaulMdj]

Beat me to it.

Good to see you both confused by how the games are ended and how much time is left until that happens.

 

[Swango1980]

Good to see you both confused by how the games are ended and how much time is left until that happens.

I can assure you, there is absolutely no confusion on my part.

I mean, we are talking about a clock. The concept is basic. The only difference is that fans do not currently know when the referee will blow the final whistle. Whereas with a visible clock, they will. Regardless of whether the game ends on 90:00 exactly, or you let the game go until the current play ends. It is probably one of the most simple topics that has been discussed on this thread.

 

[Neilds]

I can assure you, there is absolutely no confusion on my part.

I mean, we are talking about a clock. The concept is basic. The only difference is that fans do not currently know when the referee will blow the final whistle. Whereas with a visible clock, they will. Regardless of whether the game ends on 90:00 exactly, or you let the game go until the current play ends. It is probably one of the most simple topics that has been discussed on this thread.

99% of stadiums have a visible clock for the fans. Unfortunately none of these seem to have the ability to carry on past 90 minutes and just seem to stop. If these carried on by the amount of time indicated by the 4th official then people would have a fair idea when the whistle would be blown.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I don’t think timing etc and the clock stopping etc is something that wlll work in football

I am glad though that they seem to be improving to the point where there is a proper amount of added on time for lengthy stoppages etc

 

[PaulMdj]

I can assure you, there is absolutely no confusion on my part.

I mean, we are talking about a clock. The concept is basic. The only difference is that fans do not currently know when the referee will blow the final whistle. Whereas with a visible clock, they will. Regardless of whether the game ends on 90:00 exactly, or you let the game go until the current play ends. It is probably one of the most simple topics that has been discussed on this thread.

Nope, go back and read the post you answered.

You are missing the point:

Q. What is the final act in a Rugby match to confirm the match has ended.

A. The Ball goes dead.

Q. What is the final act in a football match to confirm the match has ended.

A. The Referee blows the final whistle.

I understand both your points about not knowing how long is left after the 90 minutes in Football is up due to the injury time or extra time being added by the Referee.

I said that is no different to knowing how long the ball is in play after the hooter goes in a Rugby match, it could be 2 seconds or 2 minutes.

You answered that by saying, and I quote “There is still certainty that when the ball goes out, it is game over.”

That is the same certainty as when the Ref blows his whistle.

So again, there is no difference in certainty as to when both games have ended.

 

[PaulMdj]

99% of stadiums have a visible clock for the fans. Unfortunately none of these seem to have the ability to carry on past 90 minutes and just seem to stop. If these carried on by the amount of time indicated by the 4th official then people would have a fair idea when the whistle would be blown.

The issue isn’t the 4th Officials amount, that’s a minimum. It’s how much the Ref adds on to that, ie At the weekend Sunderland scored in the 90th minute, just as the 4th Official announced a minimum of 5 minutes, the game ended in the 100th minute.

Was the extra 5 minutes for S’Land celebrating or was it 2 mins for that and 1 min for further time wasting and more the substitutions made in the 90+3 & 90+4 minutes.

I understand the frustration this causes.

 

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[Swango1980]

Nope, go back and read the post you answered.

You are missing the point:

Q. What is the final act in a Rugby match to confirm the match has ended.

A. The Ball goes dead.

Q. What is the final act in a football match to confirm the match has ended.

A. The Referee blows the final whistle.

I understand both your points about not knowing how long is left after the 90 minutes in Football is up due to the injury time or extra time being added by the Referee.

I said that is no different to knowing how long the ball is in play after the hooter goes in a Rugby match, it could be 2 seconds or 2 minutes.

You answered that by saying, and I quote “There is still certainty that when the ball goes out, it is game over.”

That is the same certainty as when the Ref blows his whistle.

So again, there is no difference in certainty as to when both games have ended.

I explained that about 40 posts ago.

The certainty IS NOT the exact moment of time the match ends (in the scenario where we allow play to continue until the ball goes out of play).

The certainty IS in the knowledge that when the ball next goes out of play, 100% of people know the conditions that need to be met for the game to end. Everyone knows that when the clock hits 90 minutes, then this is the last "in play" part of the game. Game over when ball is out of play. Very very simple.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Isak Newcastle-Liverpool

Yeah was thinking him purely on the fact he has hardly played at all because of injury

But going to reserve judgment on Nik until he gets fit etc and a run in the team

Shame that the goal he scored when he got injured was the sort of link up play etc that we were hoping to see

But certainly been a horror season for him

 

[Swango1980]

Yeah was thinking him purely on the fact he hasn’t played at all because of injury

He has actually played in 16 games for Liverpool I believe.

However, I forgive you for thinking he hasn't played at all. I honestly don't ever remember seeing him on the pitch in any Liverpool games I have watched either

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Ooh bold letters.. or commonly known as the typing version of shouting

You asked why would it be seen as cheating I gave the reasons why and just added my thoughts on why they’d feel that and why it wouldn’t work. Please accept my humble apologies for replying and explaining myself in a post you quoted me on

And on that I’m definitely out

Come on, what are you on about. Bold letters is to show that is th3 part you are writing about ,particularly.
THIS IS SHOUTING.

 

[PaulMdj]

I explained that about 40 posts ago.

The certainty IS NOT the exact moment of time the match ends (in the scenario where we allow play to continue until the ball goes out of play).

The certainty IS in the knowledge that when the ball next goes out of play, 100% of people know the conditions that need to be met for the game to end. Everyone knows that when the clock hits 90 minutes, then this is the last "in play" part of the game. Game over when ball is out of play. Very very simple.

What is the difference between the ball going dead in rugby and the final whistle in football?

 

[Swango1980]

What is the difference between the ball going dead in rugby and the final whistle in football?

Are you deliberately trying to make this confusing!? I literally cannot think of another way to explain this concept more plainly. And I didn't think it was necessary, I thought 100% of people could understand the concept of a game ending after 90 minutes, once the ball goes dead? VAR is 1000 times more complex and controversial than a visible time clock, where the game ends on 90 or ends when the ball goes out of play after 90. There is no subjectivity for a start.

But, if this is a concept that genuinely is confusing and likely to be controversial, what about a visible time clock that just ends after 90 minutes?

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Come on, what are you on about. Bold letters is to show that is th3 part you are writing about ,particularly.
THIS IS SHOUTING.

It’s called a joke and sarcasm hence my reply im not precious enough to worry about what anyone here posts. You might have to speak up I didn’t hear you

 

[Arthur Wedge]

So looks like PSG are going to have their game against Lens postponed to help them in th CL ,it’s something that happens regularly abroad
To add that Lens are not happy about it - Lens are challenging them for the title at the moment as well