The Footie Thread

[PaulMdj]

Are you deliberately trying to make this confusing!? I literally cannot think of another way to explain this concept more plainly. And I didn't think it was necessary, I thought 100% of people could understand the concept of a game ending after 90 minutes, once the ball goes dead? VAR is 1000 times for complex and controversial than a visible time clock, where the game ends on 90 or ends when the ball goes out of play after 90. There is no subjectivity for a start.

But, if this is a concept that genuinely is confusing and likely to be controversial, what about a visible time clock that just ends after 90 minutes?

You are doing exactly what you did before and drifting off the subject rather than stick to the point.

In Rugby after 80 minutes (not 90 as you keep confusing yourself) the hooter goes, next time the ball goes dead the game is over, the difference between the hooter and the ball going dead could be 2 seconds or, as in the 6 Nations final match, an extra 2 minutes and 50+ seconds. The certainty was the match finished when the ball went dead.

In Football after 90 minutes the 4th Official indicates the minimum of injury time to be added. The Referee then has the authority to add further time or not to the injury time shown by the 4th Official. Once the clock reaches 4 minutes the Ref may or may not add extra time. The Referee will then blow his whistle to end the match after he has or has not added any further time. The certainty was the match finished when the Ref blew his whistle.

So, once the hooter sounded in Rugby and the injury time was up in Football, nobody for certainty knows how long is left in either match.

Therefore it is exactly the same unknown in both Sports.

Final post with you on this.

 

[PaulMdj]

So looks like PSG are going to have their game against Lens postponed to help them in th CL ,it’s something that happens regularly abroad

They’ve only requested the fixture be moved at the moment, Lens, who are 2nd to PSG, have also lodged an objection as it is a top of the table clash.
Hopefully the French FA will object, but Brest who are through to the Conference League 1/4’s have also requested their match is postponed the same day.

 

[Swango1980]

You are doing exactly what you did before and drifting off the subject rather than stick to the point.

In Rugby after 80 minutes (not 90 as you keep confusing yourself) the hooter goes, next time the ball goes dead the game is over, the difference between the hooter and the ball going dead could be 2 seconds or, as in the 6 Nations final match, an extra 2 minutes and 50+ seconds. The certainty was the match finished when the ball went dead.

In Football after 90 minutes the 4th Official indicates the minimum of injury time to be added. The Referee then has the authority to add further time or not to the injury time shown by the 4th Official. Once the clock reaches 4 minutes the Ref may or may not add extra time. The Referee will then blow his whistle to end the match after he has or has not added any further time. The certainty was the match finished when the Ref blew his whistle.

So, once the hooter sounded in Rugby and the injury time was up in Football, nobody for certainty knows how long is left in either match.

Therefore it is exactly the same unknown in both Sports.

Final post with you on this.

It is not me that is confused, it is definitely you. Definitely a good time to stop this merry go round

 

[Aztecs27]

So looks like PSG are going to have their game against Lens postponed to help them in th CL ,it’s something that happens regularly abroad
To add that Lens are not happy about it - Lens are challenging them for the title at the moment as well

Les Fánniés

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Nope, go back and read the post you answered.

You are missing the point:

Q. What is the final act in a Rugby match to confirm the match has ended.

A. The Ball goes dead.

Q. What is the final act in a football match to confirm the match has ended.

A. The Referee blows the final whistle.

I understand both your points about not knowing how long is left after the 90 minutes in Football is up due to the injury time or extra time being added by the Referee.

I said that is no different to knowing how long the ball is in play after the hooter goes in a Rugby match, it could be 2 seconds or 2 minutes.

You answered that by saying, and I quote “There is still certainty that when the ball goes out, it is game over.”

That is the same certainty as when the Ref blows his whistle.

So again, there is no difference in certainty as to when both games have ended.

Jeez, there is a difference you just cannot see.

When the clock in Rugby has got to 80 mins,( usually counted down to zero), everyone knows that the game will end when one of a few things- known to everyone watching -happen. E. G ball goes out of play.
In football at present the only person who knows when it will end
. Christ, being a little hyperbolic, he might bloody forget to.
Or, God forbid, he might favour one side over the other. Or he might …….anything..

Nobody knows when , and why, but him…
(And so there may be speculation, founded or unfounded as to why the whistle isn’t blown yet.. Not a good thing)

In Rugby, everyone does know why .

If you can’t see the difference, then ……

However, I’ll go further in making the change to soccer timekeeping laws.
I wouldn’t worry about what rugby does.
I would have the time played decided by the ref indicating to a timekeeper when to stop the clock and when to restart it ( by signalling similar to how it’s done in rugby, and telling him/her via comms)
And when it gets to 45mins the game stops. Whatever is happening…whether the ball is in play or out of play, whether it’s on the way to crossing the goal line, or whether someone is injured, or whatever…
At 45 mins on the clock it stops.
This obtains for each “ half”

 

[PaulMdj]

Jeez, there is a difference you just cannot see.

When the clock in Rugby has got to 80 mins,( usually counted down to zero), everyone knows that the game will end when one of a few things- known to everyone watching -happen. E. G ball goes out of play.
In football at present the only person who knows when it will end
. Christ, being a little hyperbolic, he might bloody forget to.
Or, God forbid, he might favour one side over the other. Or he might …….anything..This happens in Rugby, the Ref in the France v Englsnd match was accussed of it

Nobody knows when , and why, but him…
(And so there may be speculation, founded or unfounded as to why the whistle isn’t blown yet.. Not a good thing)

In Rugby, everyone does know why .but still not when

If you can’t see the difference, then ……

However, I’ll go further in making the change to soccer timekeeping laws.
I wouldn’t worry about what rugby does.
I would have the time played decided by the ref indicating to a timekeeper when to stop the clock and when to restart it ( by signalling similar to how it’s done in rugby, and telling him/her via comms)
And when it gets to 45mins the game stops. Whatever is happening…whether the ball is in play or out of play, whether it’s on the way to crossing the goal line, or whether someone is injured, or whatever…
At 45 mins on the clock it stops.
This obtains for each “ half”

I can see the difference, I totally understood what people were saying about the Football Referee being the only one who knew when the match would finish and that was my point.

2 Certainties, Rugby finishes when the ball is dead, Football when the Referee blows his whistle! That’s it! I never said anything else it was others going on about added time or clocks etc.

Supporters in both Sports know how the game ends, but none know how long it will be.

Others drifted off into other areas and I answered their points.

As for your last paragraph, Maybe it would work, I don’t know, the point has been made previously though thst some games will end up like American Football were teams are killing the game by playing down the clock.